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Doing my own Study without Harvard
« on: Mar 24th, 2005, 1:36pm » |
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Hi again everyone!
Well it's been a lil over a year since my last appearance on the board. This is my 9th cycle in 12 years (every 13-16 months I get CH for 6-10 weeks) although the last few cycles tend to be closer to 13 months apart and last closer to the 10 weeks duration.
I have been reading and researching CH for about 7 years and coming here for about 5 or so...I forget...lol. There is indeed a wealth of information to be had if you take the time to sort thru all the bickering, accusations of snake oil salesmen, trolls,etc.
It is my belief that there is something we all have in common...not only CH, but what is causing them. Some kind of physiological explaination of what it might be. It's just a matter of discovering what exactly it is...lol 
I read about the mushroom treatment in my last cycle while I was on the MB for meds, treatments, therapies-I was quite surprised to see the results some of you have experienced with this usage. I procured spores for my own use, but failed miserably at growing my own because of mold problems. This fall I will just go and pick a pound or so from the local pastures where they grow quite abundantly and are free for the pickin. 
Last Summer I was describing 'our' condition to a friend of mine and told him I was planning to try 'mushroom therapy' for my next cycle and he gave me a gram of chocolate covered mushrooms....mmmmmmmm......chocolate!!!!  So they lived comfortably in the glove box in my car for about 8 months, laying in wait for the beast.
March 8, 2005 I started my new cycle...same as the old cycles start...you all know some or all of the symptoms I get like tightening of shoulder/neck, back of neck pain, base of skull pain, carotid sensitivity, aching teeth, plugged sinus on R side.(all my symptoms affect the right side) I knew a few weeks ago that they would be here soon, so I told my GP what I was doing and she said that she could not condone the use of illegal drugs as a viable treatment for the condition blah blah blah. I told her I knew that and that I just wanted her to know what I was going to do. I declined all Rx medications, no O2 , no dietary changes, no changes in lifestyle at all, just the one variable in the equation... mushrooms.
It was at about 7pm on March 8th that I took the chocolate covered mushrooms. After about 1 hour I was high, the high lasted for about 3 hours and I went to bed feeling all fuzzy and fluffy...lol. I had no CH's until I started getting indicators again on the 16th(so I found another 7 grams of 'psylocybins' from a different friend whom also sympathised with me and gave them to me for free), but I had no big ones break through so I waited to see if I would get a real one...on the 17th I had 3 little HA's, and on the 18th another 3 or 4, each slowly increasing in intensity until it was unmistakably the beast kickin on the door. So at about 10pm on March 18th I dosed again with plain psylocybin's (lmao@plain...they are anything but plain...lol  ) that is, without the sweet coating and mixed in 1.00 grams of mushrooms into a cup of hot tea. Today is the 24th and I have had no CH's or shadows since the 18th...I'm so happy!!!!! 
If I can get 10 days of PF relief from $5 worth of mushrooms...I'll do it....beats the hell out of all that crap the witchdoctors and sorcerers have been pushing in my arm, up my nose and down my throat for the last 12 years at a cost of thousands of dollars per cycle and only minimal/temporary relief at best.
This to me is proof in the puddin, I changed nothing about my lifestyle, eating habits, drinking habits(including alcohol-had 4 Coronas last night),smoking habits (including about 3/4 pack of cigarettes and 2 or 3 doobies a day of Vancouver Islands finest budz), exercise habits(2-4 hours of biking per week, 2 hours walking per week), it has all remained the same except for the one variable...mushrooms. I have gone for almost 2-1/2weeks relatively PF for the approximate cost of $10 if I were to pay for what has been given to me for free.
Yessiree! Me and the Beast are buddies now...whenever he comes over we do mushrooms together and laff like madmen then he leaves and closes the door behind him.
I don't have to take so much that I hallucinate, just enough to get the lightheaded feeling and a little 'glow' on that makes the lights do funky things and makes me giggle. I now rent Stand-up comedy tapes from the video store when I am doing a dose and just laugh my head off...they say laughter is the best medicine and I figger that mushrooms are one helluva catalyst...lol
The only side effects I noticed were:
1. Eyes were puffy the next morning- maybe from all the crying I was doing because I was laffing so hard.
2.Facial muscluar soreness-probably from the 3 hour grin I was wearing with sporadic bouts of uncontrollable laughter (watching Eddy Murphy-RAW)
3.Abdominal stiffness-I was thinkin probably from the belly laffing I was doing for most of the night.
I never thought it would work so well, but it does and I have to thank DJ for his MB that brought me this antidote for my CH's. Bless you all and good luck in your own treatment scenarios whatever they may be.
Mikey-de
In cycle and PF!!!
P.S. - Beast- if you read this...I'm at home waiting for you to knock so we can party down again buddy!!! Come over anytime!!!
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Re: Doing my own Study without Harvard
« Reply #1 on: Mar 24th, 2005, 1:41pm » |
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I am glad you found something that works for you!
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Re: Doing my own Study without Harvard
« Reply #2 on: Mar 24th, 2005, 6:36pm » |
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Glad to hear you have the beast at Bay Mikey!
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Re: Doing my own Study without Harvard
« Reply #3 on: Mar 24th, 2005, 7:25pm » |
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Glad to hear its working for you - you don't have to work with Harvard, but you might want to provide your data to the clusterbusters so they can track the success rate.
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Re: Doing my own Study without Harvard
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Glad to hear that you're PF, Mikey
Keep up the good work!
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There's nothing better than PFDAN
Glad you found success
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Re: Doing my own Study without Harvard
« Reply #6 on: Mar 25th, 2005, 1:19am » |
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on Mar 24th, 2005, 1:36pm, mikey-de wrote:So they lived comfortably in the glove box in my car for about 8 months, laying in wait for the beast.
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Way to go Mikey.
Good thing you live up in the land of frozen tundra. Down here that chocolate would have melted into my dashboard.
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Re: Doing my own Study without Harvard
« Reply #7 on: Mar 25th, 2005, 3:58am » |
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Hi everyone, thanks for the cheers. It's been awhile since I have been thru the board...I've been reading ravenously all day..great postings and lots of giggles...lol
Quote:Posted by: floridian Posted on: Mar 24th, 2005, 7:25pm
Glad to hear its working for you - you don't have to work with Harvard, but you might want to provide your data to the clusterbusters so they can track the success rate.
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Will be doing that next, I have the survey page up and just can't pull myself away from the board yet, I'm captivated! hehehe
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on Mar 24th, 2005, 1:36pm
Way to go Mikey.
Good thing you live up in the land of frozen tundra. Down here that chocolate would have melted into my dashboard.
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Well...actually bob, they did melt into my dashboard into one solid piece of congealed chocomushlateroom crunch bar. Good thing it was in a baggie and the psilocin is resistant to deterioration in heat. I also got an good imprint of some of the contents in my glovebox : a fuse, corner of my insurance envelope, a stale breath mint and a half of a really old coca-cola bottle cap I found at an dumpsite(old bottledump).
And I love that frozen tundra myth....especially when we have been basking in the sun for the better part of 4 weeks while poor jonny is freezin his nutz off down there...lmao I live on Vancouver Island on the West Coast so it is usually warm (45F or better) if you can handle the rain for a week at a time sometimes and snow on the very rare occasion. Nice to be surrounded by ocean....it definately has it's good points...esp. no snow
This is my first time trying this method as a serious treatment for my CH's. I have only dosed twice but the results are abso-fucking-lutely amazing!!! I have never been so excited about something like this, it works great AND I really enjoy the medicating process from start to finish. Unlike the ergots that make me puke when I use them(migranol nasal mist) The main impetus for my personal experiment was that the crap they were giving me has dangerous side effects and it scared the crap outta me. The little MSDS insert they give you with your meds doesn't tell yah crap about them; so I found out by downloading "Physicians Desktop Reference" program....wow...it is awesome! Descriptions, empirical formulae, atomic structure, clinical trial results, a wealth of pharmaceutical information! It really scared me away from the drugs as a treatment. Even though I had come up with a cocktail to treat mine with about 90% success rate on aborts. (1st line of defense was O2, then verapamil(which I was on from the get-go) and migranol nasal mist when too far away from the O2. I found I could abort about 1/2 of my CH's if I got on the O2 fast enuf, and the rest with the migranol if I use it when I feel one coming on. Neither the O2 nor migranol worked if I didn't treat the CH before it got behind my eye. I figgered I have about 2-4 minutes from the time I first 'smell' one coming on (my first indicator is that my R sinus starts getting stuffy followed by the pain in my neck (sensitive carotid area), 5 minutes is too long for me. When it gets past the defenses and gets in...I just have to tuff it out coz at that point it's wasting O2 and costly meds. The key for me is to abort as early as possible...and so far these mushrooms are doing it for me! Actually...not aborting, preventing.WOOOOOHOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
The mushrooms seem to take too long to act in a psychotropic manner (my plane leaves the hangar about 45-60 minutes after ingestion) to be used as an abortive, but that is another study (or should I say hypothesis?) Are there any tests here about use as abortive? or mainly preventative uses?
I'll probably go see my GP next week sometime and update her on my progress and take her a printout of some this material and related links so she can see I'm not kidding about it. I just want her to know about it, this official study about to take place (GOD willing  ) and my sychronous experiment which may or may not be taken seriously by anyone other than me. I am accepting full responsibility for this entire experiment, treatment and medications I am using. I have a small sample set aside for chemical analysis if they want/need it(I have a homogenous mixture of mushrooms now...no more chocolate ones  snif snif)
I'll update periodically on the treatment/experiment progress. I am trying to do this experiment in a scientific and objective way, but that is kinda tuff from a subjective point of view . I'll post the complete report when I am done with the experiment.
I'm trying to make this as fun as possible, the mushrooms really make easy work of that, 'cept I hate writing notes when I am trippin'....lol I'd rather watch Eddie Murphy,SNL and/or raunchy stand-up comedy. Hmmmmm, do I write that part in the report? lol! 
All comments and/or advice are appreciated and welcome.
Thanks again everyone!
Mikey-de
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Re: Doing my own Study without Harvard
« Reply #8 on: Mar 25th, 2005, 12:27pm » |
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Mikey,
Never did look past the Canadian flag.....sorry. My favorite place on earth (so far) is Vancouver Island. Man, I was just looking at some photos of the place again this week. It was my first experience with Canadian doctors. I woke one morning with a badly swollen face (no pain) while on the Isle. Went to the emergency room (on a sunday) and found I had an absessed tooth that was close to causing my death. The ER doc called his personal dentist and had him meet me at his office. They worked on me for a couple hours. Root canal and all. Total cost of all visits/x-rays/dental work...$25.00. They weren't going to take anything just because I was on "holiday"..
Sorry for OT ramble....
Your shroom experiences so far are very helpful and a testament to how well it works when it isn't battling a system that has been re-programmed with prescription medications. Its very clear that the best results with the fewest required doses, come from people that have not been on scripted drugs for months on end.
That isn't always (or even often) possible since so many of us have been on prescription meds for years, up to the day we decide to switch to the shrooms. Many docs still try to get people to take their preventive meds year round, even after a cycle ends. My experience has been that this is nothing but a waste of meds and money. Also makes it tougher to stop an impending cycle should you decide to use shrooms at the first sign of a new cycle.
Last dosing sequence I sat and watched the entire first two years of the 70's show. Laughed so hard that my face hurt the next day also. I love to take advantage of the giggle stage. Never did have a good side effect from DHE nasal spray to take advantage of.
45 minutes is a usual length of time to notice the shrooms at work. Used as an abortive, the best way would probably be using the SPUTnik method (Small Piece Under Tongue). Gets into system the quickest.
Chew up a cap (or stem) until it's mush and keep it under your tongue as long as possible. In most cases, it will begin working on the attack very soon and if nothing else, will not allow it to reach it's intended peak. It does begin its work as soon as it begins getting into your system...before you notice anything.
The only down side of this method is that it does change the time required before a "regular" dose would then be as effective as without an interum small dose.
I'm still a believer in the larger/fewer dose method which is what you are doing, rather than a couple very small doses each day. (not that the success percentage is better one way or the other but just that we have so many more successful reports on the larger doses.)
I think that based upon your reports, your dosing schedule may not allow you to try out any abortive measures for long. I think you're cycle will be gone soon.
good luck
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Re: Doing my own Study without Harvard
« Reply #9 on: Mar 25th, 2005, 12:41pm » |
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Kick ass bro! Glad to see it is working for you. I didn't have much luck with the conventional meds until August of '03 when I discovered Imitrex worked when it hadn't in the past.
Now with lack of resources, I am experiencing 'chinese triptan torture' which is alot like chinese water torture. During the throes of the last attack this morning I found myself grabbing the trex, then putting it down, then grabbing it again, and the whole time telling myself that this will stop it for now, but make things worse. Talk about a mindfuck!
Never heard of the SPUTnik trick before. I guess I need to start checking out clusterbusters more.
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Re: Doing my own Study without Harvard
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I'll do my best to get a few more and post them here for you all, it is absolutely heaven...clean air, forests, mountains, ocean...just gorgeous!!!! Matter of fact, I'll BRB, and go get some...lol
Well, I'm back (sorry...took way longer than I expected, but I want you all to see some of dis schtuff;and here is a few sized at 640x480 to fit most monitor screens without having to scroll tried to keep size low for modems, but big enuf for detail...hope they are suitable
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Quote:| Went to the emergency room (on a sunday) and found I had an absessed tooth that was close to causing my death. The ER doc called his personal dentist and had him meet me at his office. They worked on me for a couple hours. Root canal and all. Total cost of all visits/x-rays/dental work...$25.00. |
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Bless their lil Canadian hearts, they are a sympathetic bunch out here...not like big cities though where everyone seems to be dying at once sometimes in the emergency rooms they can seem callous and uncaring too sometimes.
Quote:Your shroom experiences so far are very helpful and a testament to how well it works when it isn't battling a system that has been re-programmed with prescription medications. Its very clear that the best results with the fewest required doses, come from people that have not been on scripted drugs for months on end.
That isn't always (or even often) possible since so many of us have been on prescription meds for years, up to the day we decide to switch to the shrooms. Many docs still try to get people to take their preventive meds year round, even after a cycle ends. My experience has been that this is nothing but a waste of meds and money. Also makes it tougher to stop an impending cycle should you decide to use shrooms at the first sign of a new cycle. |
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I recognized that on the boards that not very many of us are drug free in our cycle, that is why I have taken nothing medicinal nor made any lifestyle changes to affect the results,my only variable is the shrooms.
I consider myself to be one of the lucky ones with our condition(Bwwwahhhhhhahahahaha@lucky w/ CH...somebody bonk me!) because I have a very regimented cycle of pain/remission in regard to timing and duration of both cycles (CH cycle/PF cycle)so I knew when the next ones would come the day my last cycle ended +/- a few weeks.I usually have a pretty good idea when they will be leaving too...and my average says I have another 6 or 7 weeks left...so we will see if there is lasting remission.
I have a significant dislike for pills or perscriptions and especially the pharmaceutical companies(profiteering bastards!); I like naturopathic remedies (Like THC and Mushrooms - I use the THC for pain relief and as a muscle relaxant for my back injury...we can get medicinal marijuana up here, and I get what is commonly described as chemo or wheelchair weed...lol) 
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Jeez, I thought I was bein' a bit of a girl thingy keeping it to a gram....lol
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I believe that my usual cycle still has 6 to 7 weeks remaining, we shall see if the cycle is broken or if the wheel is just stuck
My worst fear is that it will push me into a chronic mode...which is also part of my study. Yes,BTW I do mean chronic clusterhead...not a chronic mushroomhead...lmaoooo
Quote:Posted by: PrettyH8Machine Posted on: Today at 12:41pm
During the throes of the last attack this morning I found myself grabbing the trex, then putting it down, then grabbing it again, and the whole time telling myself that this will stop it for now, but make things worse. Talk about a mindfuck!
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I am so fuckin' on that same page bro! I am sick of rebounds, shadows and pukin DHE!! 
I want something better for me(and all of us coz I know we are all goin' thru it), what could be more natural than something that grows out of the ground and is already prepared????? The only prep I've ever had to do is dry them for longterm storage.
It's really exciting to be on the edge of such groundbreaking information while also having the scientific background to make some sense of it all. Well, enuf of my longwinded shit...lol(but this took all morning to compose and prepare for posting). I gotta make food for the kiddies. 'scuse the typos& cyah after!
Thank you all!!!
mikey-de
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