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Ya gotta read this...
« on: Mar 14th, 2005, 1:56pm » |
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http://www.thisislondon.com/news/articles/17262526?source=Evening%20Stan dard&ct=5
no offense to any English folks here, but somehow this seems a little over the top.
Make sure you read the witness comments and picture captions after the story.
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« Reply #1 on: Mar 14th, 2005, 2:01pm » |
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That's what happens when firearms are made illegal. 
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« Reply #2 on: Mar 14th, 2005, 2:03pm » |
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DAMN! Wonder if that could have been anymore nasty? Some how lunch is now out of the question.
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Re: Ya gotta read this...
« Reply #3 on: Mar 14th, 2005, 2:06pm » |
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ugh, I wonder what inspired that...
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« Reply #4 on: Mar 14th, 2005, 2:09pm » |
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Just seen this on the news here... I can't believe it. I'm stunned. It seems the guy didn't try to hide it in any way or run away. He just wanted to kill this man. Makes you wonder what he did to "deserve" that.. hard to imagine.
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« Reply #5 on: Mar 14th, 2005, 2:11pm » |
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on Mar 14th, 2005, 2:09pm, LeLimey wrote:| Just seen this on the news here... I can't believe it. I'm stunned. It seems the guy didn't try to hide it in any way or run away. He just wanted to kill this man. Makes you wonder what he did to "deserve" that.. hard to imagine. |
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Wonder if the guy who did it, has young children........... just a thought.
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Re: Ya gotta read this...
« Reply #6 on: Mar 14th, 2005, 2:14pm » |
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I'm not for making guns illegal for several reasons but
this kind of statement appeals to the wrong crowd; not at all to the anti-gun lobby.
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« Reply #7 on: Mar 14th, 2005, 2:18pm » |
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« Reply #8 on: Mar 14th, 2005, 2:20pm » |
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on Mar 14th, 2005, 2:14pm, Charlie wrote:
I'm not for making guns illegal for several reasons but
this kind of statement appeals to the wrong crowd; not at all to the anti-gun lobby.
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What I'm trying to say is that I would much rather witness a "clean" shooting than a horendous axe-job.
Edit to add the old tired truth that guns don't kill people, people kill people.
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« Reply #9 on: Mar 14th, 2005, 2:42pm » |
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There are lots of similar quotes like that but people who hate guns consider them examples of redneck philosophy. They are all over gun shows of course, as bumper stickers and the like and I have been to dozens of them years ago selling historic military stuff as a rule. I never thought bumper stickers were effective in this anyway.
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« Reply #10 on: Mar 14th, 2005, 2:58pm » |
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This is what can happen if you don't make guns illegal:
Quote:Churches around the world have been shocked by the shooting in a US evangelical church in which seven Christian worshippers have been shot dead as well as the gunman himself. Terry Ratzmann, 44, opened fire at churchgoers in Brookfield, Wisconsin, apparently without motive before turning the gun on himself.
Monday, March 14 , 2005
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But guns do make it easier for disturbed people to kill more people with less effort in a shorter period of time. Strict gun control or fire arms in every home, it doesn't matter. Can't really stop the sickos either way.
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« Reply #11 on: Mar 14th, 2005, 3:03pm » |
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Yes the story from Brookfield was very sad, just down the road from me.  And I agree, we are damned if we do and damned if we don't. But I like my chances if I at least have the oppurtunity to be as well armed as the criminal who wants to harm, me, my family or my property. At least level the playing field.
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« Reply #12 on: Mar 14th, 2005, 3:11pm » |
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Yeah, I own firearms for protection and sport. Not sure how the risks compare - stopping an intruder vs. accidents and mishaps. But there is a certain deterrent effect, and if there is a break down in law and order (post hurricane or whatever), they might come in handy.
On the other hand, I fully trust my faithful canine companion to ward off wayward evil doers (and wake me up every Saturday morning when he sees other dogs walk by).
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« Reply #13 on: Mar 14th, 2005, 4:04pm » |
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Guns are overrated as personal protection by you and me. It's very very hard to hit someone for several reasons. They are scary of course and might work that way. They can be lots of fun though.
This reminds me of my neighbor who was thinking of some expensive alarm system for his house. City ranch houses aren't good targets anyway......The alarm companies call about it now and then. I always ask my neighbors when is the last time you saw or heard of any break-in anywhere our neighborhood. I've been here since 1963 and so far not one burglary or even serious domestic trouble.
I read once that the safest place to live is near a prison. You aren't going to find a lot of criminals hanging around on your side of the wall. They tend to move far far away.... 
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Re: Ya gotta read this...
« Reply #14 on: Mar 14th, 2005, 4:38pm » |
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I was given a couple of guns as gifts (wife's family is all law enforcement). I am all for them, I like them...etc. I don't have them here in Canada of course, they are in California.
After seeing on the news about the 4 year old who shot his 2 year old brother with him mom's gun, I wonder what I should do when we have kids. Get rid of them? How do you secure them so that children can't access them, but still have them be useful for home protection? I mean, when someone is going to kill your family, you can't go to the safe, turn the key, and dial the combo. I'll have to think about that one.
On the other hand, I am all for the strict regulation of axes - only in teh hands of firefighters and liscensed lumberjacks I say.
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« Reply #15 on: Mar 14th, 2005, 8:09pm » |
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I've always been pretty anti-gun, but at the same time...banning guns would just mean that all the wrong people would STILL have guns. For example....we ban hard core drugs...but those with the connections and means get them anyways! So if we ban guns, then we have a bunch of innocents running around who have followed the anti-gun laws and chosen not to obtain guns...and a bunch of whack job gangsters in the city who have their guns from the black market and will just shoot everyone up anyways.
Sometimes that seems like a no-win situation!
However, there are a couple of areas where gun-control laws make sense to me. That whole, "Guns don't kill people, people kill people." And also, "Guns don't kill people, bullets kill people."...I guess I don't always buy into that.
I'm sure I've told this story before, however, it applies once again. When my cousin Stephen was 17, he was out visiting his biological father in Nevada with his best friend. My ex-uncle had a gun in his house, and I guess the boys found it...obviously it wasn't taken apart, separated, put in a lock box...all the things they recommend gun-owners do to prevent gun accidents in the home. Well, the boys were messing around with a gun they thought was unloaded and my cousin's best friend shot Stephen (my cousin) and killed him. If gun laws had been more strict, my uncle never would have even owned a gun...because he's just an average Joe. And then Stephen would still be alive. So yeah...a person killed Stephen, but if there had never been a gun in that home...then Stephen would still be alive. That makes me think that guns are at least a PART of this issue. Stephen's best friend wouldn't have killed him with a "supposedly unloaded butcher knife!" It was his best friend!
It's not the first story I've heard. Although I don't own a gun, and I don't really think I ever want to (guns cause me to have panic attacks based on the above story), I don't think an all-out ban of guns is the best solution. However, I do think that something needs to be done.
There are all these recommendations for how to keep a gun stored in your house to protect your family. Yet the statistics keep coming out that one of the highest causes of gun-related deaths in the home is death by someone who used the gun and doesn't even own it...and it is often a family member or close friend who is killed in accident...all because of improper safety.
So...I dunno...I guess I ride the fence on gun control. I'm not pro-NRA by any means, but I'm also not all out anti-gun. I'm just a normal citizen who felt some pretty major despair when she lost her cousin due to a gun accident.
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Re: Ya gotta read this...
« Reply #16 on: Mar 14th, 2005, 8:20pm » |
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How many people would be alive if the witnesses to the crime had a gun?
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« Reply #17 on: Mar 15th, 2005, 4:35am » |
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on Mar 14th, 2005, 4:38pm, clarence wrote:I was given a couple of guns as gifts (wife's family is all law enforcement). I am all for them, I like them...etc. I don't have them here in Canada of course, they are in California.
After seeing on the news about the 4 year old who shot his 2 year old brother with him mom's gun, I wonder what I should do when we have kids. Get rid of them? How do you secure them so that children can't access them, but still have them be useful for home protection? I mean, when someone is going to kill your family, you can't go to the safe, turn the key, and dial the combo. I'll have to think about that one.
On the other hand, I am all for the strict regulation of axes - only in teh hands of firefighters and liscensed lumberjacks I say.
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Kids that aren't raised around guns are awed by them. They want to touch them or play with them. Do what my father did. Take the mystery out of them and replace it with respect for the damage they can do. Take the kid out behind the house or to a gun range if you have one or a deserted quary (some place with a good backstop) and fire a few rounds. The noise itself is enough to discourage most young ones from wanting to mess with them. Then, if the kid is big enough to handle the gun, let the kid fire a few rounds. Choose a target that will be blown apart when you shoot it to drive home what a gun can do. Unload and disassemble or use gun locks on the guns you aren't using for protection. If you are using a handgun for protection, place it out of sight, but within your easy reach on a top shelf in your closet. Lock ammunition away. You don't need some fancy lock box. I used an old electric box and put padlock on it.
We always had guns in the house when I was growing up. Several long guns were hung on a rack above the fireplace. I never played with them. I got my first shotgun as a Christmas present (a Harrington & Richardson single shot .410 shotgun) when I was in the 7th grade. I probably would have had it sooner, but we lived in various cities until late in my 6th grade year. I had a high powered Crossman .177 caliber pump pellet rifle for years before that and a Red Ryder BB Rifle before that. Either the next year or two years later, I got a Remington Model 870 12 gauge pump shotgun for Christmas.
I have almost always had guns in the house with my kids. They weren't laying all over the floor or hanging on the wall in the living room. I keep my guns in my closet. Long guns on the floor leaning in a back corner and the handguns on the top shelf where I can get to them easily, but out of sight. I took the boys out shooting at a young age and impressed upon them the damage a gun could do. I taught them the proper way to handle various types of guns. They know to treat ANY gun as if it were loaded, even if they are 100% sure it is not. They know where the guns are in my closet. They have never messed with them, because they know and have always known that guns are not toys.
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« Reply #18 on: Mar 15th, 2005, 9:34am » |
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That was a news story here in Finland, too. Luckily I don't live in London now... I have relatives who'd be panicking right now!
The story was horrible, though.
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« Reply #19 on: Mar 15th, 2005, 10:08am » |
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I learned to fire/clean guns when I was young.
I've never owned one and probably never will.
But the cat is out of the bag and I don't think anybody in their right mind thinks the cat is going back in.
The guy in this story was going to kill this other guy no matter what the weapon.
The real story is about rage, not guns...
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« Reply #20 on: Mar 15th, 2005, 10:20am » |
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Why was this guy ever allowed back into society?
http://www.thisislondon.com/news/articles/17278197?source=Evening%20Stan dard&ct=5
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« Reply #21 on: Mar 15th, 2005, 1:13pm » |
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Cos the loony left give these sicko's more rights than their victims.
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« Reply #22 on: Mar 15th, 2005, 1:22pm » |
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on Mar 15th, 2005, 1:13pm, LeLimey wrote:
Why can't "life" mean LIFE?
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I have always wondered that one. Why call it a life sentence if it's not it...?! 
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Re: Ya gotta read this...
« Reply #23 on: Mar 15th, 2005, 1:37pm » |
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This proves my point as to why gun control is useless. A gun is no more than a tool and you can kill someone with any tool be it a hammer a screwdriver or in this case an axe. So all you guncontrol fanatics come get my guns if you dare. 
Rodger.
Note I bet there is more to this than meets the eyes. I somehow got a feeling a child is involved somehow.
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« Reply #24 on: Mar 15th, 2005, 1:39pm » |
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If a person is so dangerous that he can NEVER again be trusted in society - why pay to keep him alive and fed, clothed, educated, entertained, etc?
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