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Well isn't this f'n special...
« on: Feb 22nd, 2005, 12:58pm » |
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Soldier receives hate mail from Brooklyn Elementary School Children. (hey, I wonder where they got that idea from?)
http://nypost.com/news/worldnews/40259.htm
Got a friend from NY arriving in about 4 hours for a visit here in Atlanta. As luck would have it, he's a teacher in Brooklyn where schools are numbers, not names. Think he's at PS114 or something equally as cryptic.
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Re: Well isn't this f'n special...
« Reply #1 on: Feb 22nd, 2005, 1:01pm » |
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Fair enough. The kids do have a point. Wrong place to send the letters, though.
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Re: Well isn't this f'n special...
« Reply #2 on: Feb 22nd, 2005, 1:02pm » |
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Quote:| That changed when he opened the envelope and found missives strewn with politically charged rhetoric, vicious accusations and demoralizing predictions that only a handful of soldiers would leave the Iraq war alive. |
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Sounds like normal public school cirriculum to me.
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Re: Well isn't this f'n special...
« Reply #3 on: Feb 22nd, 2005, 1:02pm » |
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Disagree with the war, fine...
But why have school children take it out on the troops in the form of hate mail? Seems a bit cowardly, the teacher can't find the balls to do it him/her self.
What the hell is with taking it out on the troops anyway?
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Re: Well isn't this f'n special...
« Reply #4 on: Feb 22nd, 2005, 1:07pm » |
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And also to quote The one that asked for him to name 1 iraqi terrorist from the 1993 trade center bombing Abdul Rahman Said Yasin. Fled to bagdad
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Re: Well isn't this f'n special...
« Reply #5 on: Feb 22nd, 2005, 1:08pm » |
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During the Vietnam war, anti-war protesters misdirected much of their frustration at the soldiers and not the Administration(s) that kept them there. It was very sad. Guys would get back in the States and be spit on! I think that encouraging independent thought in middle schoolers is a good thing...that's how civilizations evolve. Knowing where to direct those feelings doesn't always come naturally. It was the adult's responsibility to get those letters sent where they belong...in Congress. That's really too bad...those kids overseas don't need that crap. 
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Re: Well isn't this f'n special...
« Reply #6 on: Feb 22nd, 2005, 1:13pm » |
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Nani you hit it right on the head 
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Re: Well isn't this f'n special...
« Reply #8 on: Feb 22nd, 2005, 1:30pm » |
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When I was in Junior High, the very last thing on my mind was politics or the pros or cons of War.
Makes me wonder where these kids are getting their opinions FROM????
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Re: Well isn't this f'n special...
« Reply #9 on: Feb 22nd, 2005, 1:33pm » |
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Is that for real?
I Google'd the words Rob Jacobs, JHS 51, and JHS 51 Park Slope and got nothing. No mention of this story.
I'm at work and locked out of Urban Legends & Folklore site. Can someone else check if the story is true. Sounds fishy to me.
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Re: Well isn't this f'n special...
« Reply #10 on: Feb 22nd, 2005, 1:40pm » |
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on Feb 22nd, 2005, 1:30pm, Linda_Howell wrote:
When I was in Junior High, the very last thing on my mind was politics or the pros or cons of War.
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Not me, Linda. Starting at age 11, I participated in many anti-war protests. And I was very aware of what was going on in the government at the time. I volunteered for campaigns, read the newspaper and watched the news everyday. Geeky - I know. But it was 1968, the world was changing and I wanted to be a part of it.
Bob, I now see that the story was from the NY Post. Hmmm....the only tabloid sold as an actual newspaper.
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Re: Well isn't this f'n special...
« Reply #11 on: Feb 22nd, 2005, 3:13pm » |
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on Feb 22nd, 2005, 1:33pm, BobG wrote:Is that for real?
I Google'd the words Rob Jacobs, JHS 51, and JHS 51 Park Slope and got nothing. No mention of this story.
I'm at work and locked out of Urban Legends & Folklore site. Can someone else check if the story is true. Sounds fishy to me. |
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They reported the story on FoxNews this morning. Now, that doesn't make it true, but it is a second source.
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Re: Well isn't this f'n special...
« Reply #12 on: Feb 22nd, 2005, 4:15pm » |
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I've already instructed my eldest to tell her Teacher's to keep their personal opinions and political views out of her cirriculum.
Essentially "just the facts, ma'am"
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Re: Well isn't this f'n special...
« Reply #13 on: Feb 22nd, 2005, 4:23pm » |
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Makes me wonder if these kids parents know what verbal vomit they were reinterating in letters to our men and women serving our country?
My kid....thier teacher....someone would be losing thier job over this one.
Shame on them....
JMHO w/a heaping serving of whoop ass on the side...
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Re: Well isn't this f'n special...
« Reply #14 on: Feb 22nd, 2005, 6:49pm » |
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First off...let me say these letters were definitely misdirected. If they actually felt this wasy, they should have sent the letters to their local Congressman/woman, Senator, or the White House. Being that I was in the Military, I can tell you most servicemen & servicewomen did NOT join to fight a war. They joined looking for training and job skills and when they are thrust into a war, they are basically just in life preservation mode.
The article did say that 12 out of the 21 letters were supportive. If these were the actual views of the 9 other children...or the views their parent s are teaching them, why take it out on the teacher? The children were excercising their right to Free Speech. However, if it's found out that the teacher had a hand in forming these opinions...(doubtful, since 12 of the letters were supportive)...then he/she should be reprimanded.
Me...I'm gonna wait until I get all the facts before I form an opinion on the teacher or the students.
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Re: Well isn't this f'n special...
« Reply #15 on: Feb 22nd, 2005, 7:29pm » |
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on Feb 22nd, 2005, 4:15pm, Cerberus wrote:I've already instructed my eldest to tell her Teacher's to keep their personal opinions and political views out of her cirriculum.
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Thank you Ramon -- my sentiments exactly. I think kids should be "taught" to THINK instead of being programed.
Gosh I was writing letters to my Congressman by the time I was in the third grade (OK, so he lived in the same town and I called him "Uncle", went to school with his kids, etc). I asked him what he did and he said, "I help people with their problems". Sounded good to me, so I just let him earn his keep. He was Congressman till I was grown and gone - always answered and helped me a number of times.
Kids should be aware of current events, but they should be able to form their own opinions.
Just don't get me started on people slamming our troops. I want them all home, but congress is the place to go to get that. These kids are doing more than their share in Iraq.
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« Reply #16 on: Feb 22nd, 2005, 7:30pm » |
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sending bad-mouth letters to our soldiers, makes me want to send their parents to Iraq to live for a while.
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« Reply #17 on: Feb 22nd, 2005, 7:37pm » |
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Good point, BD. Children should learn to think...not memorize or parrot. How would a child learn to think for themselves if opposing views were not presented, I wonder. Especially at middle school age. I enjoy it when one of my children comes home and tells me of a view one of their teachers (or coaches, etc) may have shared with them. At that point I tell them what my opinion is and we discuss how they are now in a position to form their own opinion. It can be a teaching opportunity for the parent. Not to teach them to mimic their opinion, but to form their own. Independent thought...it's what America was founded on.
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One Muslim boy wrote: "Even thoe [sic] you are risking your life for our country, have you seen how many civilians you or some other soldier killed?"
That's a quote from the article...and a fair question that deserves to be asked.
Way over 16.000 iraqi civilians killed to date. Why don't iraqi children matter? I refuse to support that. Brainwashing a society and an army of youth to call the murder of 16.000 civilians acceptable is what ought to shock us.
When I watch the in depth reports of the soldiers going out on patrol....I get more than pissed at the corporate American fat cats who are causing this havoc...terrorizing decent american men and arabs alike putting decent american youth in a position where they just feel like shooting everybody and everything that moves...life in the land of snipers....and no ...there's no winning here by anyone you or I know.
I see the "kill em all" attitude here...shake my head at the suicidal folks and mostly sit back on this board.
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on Feb 22nd, 2005, 7:30pm, john_d wrote:
sending bad-mouth letters to our soldiers, makes me want to send their parents to Iraq to live for a while. |
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And the rude behavior we saw from those kids never would have happened in Saddams Iraq, or Kim's North Korea .... kinda makes the conservatives in this country jealous.
I still have a letter I wrote to President Nixon in the first grade: "Dear Mr. President, I know that there are a lot of terrible things going on in this world, but that the United States is doing its best to do its best." When I was old enough to read about what was really going on, I learned Tricky Dick was napalming children, lying to the American public, and burglarizing his political opponents.
I agree that children should not be used as political props - by either the left or right. But if we are going to have kids write to the troops or politicians, then it is time for free speech and honesty (and a modicum of manners) not for indoctrination and censorship.
This is the type of wave-the-flag and get-in-line bullshit that goes on in the name of the troops ... are the conservatives going to complain about it??
Thats right, the people that brought you the swiftboat lies are now targetting the AARP because they want to neutralize the opposition to social security reform. So they accuse AARP of being anti-troop and pro-gay. Never mind that the troops are the kids and grandkids of the AARP members. Nevermind that the AARP is not an organization on a gay marriage crusade. Just yell 'Traitor!' and 'Faggot!' at your enemy. It seemed to work in the last election, why stop now Mr. McCarthy??
Mark Twain was right - patriotism is often the last refuge of scoundrels.
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Before you all fall off your soap boxes and bruise yourself, refect.
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« Reply #21 on: Feb 23rd, 2005, 8:17am » |
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I have to say flo, you sent your letter to the President. I see your point. Free speech, and you are right, this never would have happened in a totalitarian regime. However, maybe the kids anger was misdirected. That soldier was asked to participate in that program, and was then blindsided with trash talk from 6th graders.
IF the teacher had read the letters (as it seems he did), then maybe those letters of complaint should have been forwarded to the appropriate state or federal representative.
You said that it was time for free speech, not indoctrination and censorship. I think that one of the questions here is indoctrination - were these kids put up to it by the teacher? By their parents? If so, they have been used. As for censorship, the soldier's dad was on television this morning, and he had a good point. He said, "When I was in school teachers censored us all the time." Me too. I'm not saying censor them, but maybe direct their concerns to a more appropriate person/s, a politician stationed in Washington rather than a soldier stationed in Korea.
Then again, what do I know?
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on Feb 23rd, 2005, 7:35am, don wrote:
>>Way over 16.000 iraqi civilians killed to date. Why don't iraqi children matter?
Before you all fall off your soap boxes and bruise yourself, refect.
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Yeah, Don, people should reflect on that. Maybe you are confusing the war against Al Qaeda in Afghanistan (which most Americans support) with the occupation of Iraq, which divides the nation almost equally?
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on Feb 22nd, 2005, 1:40pm, nani wrote:| I participated in many anti-war protests. |
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I got drawn in with Lt. Calley and the Mei Lai (sp) incident, that was a civilian/children controversy too. A three day suspension from high school made me reflect on what the fuck do I know about actually "being there". The draft lottery was going to answer that question for me anyway.
This stage of war seems to be stuck at the inevitable reality that driving the opposition underground often only sharpens it. Fighting that job to the finish has always been difficult.
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Hey Flo.! How many innocent Iraqis died under Saddam's rule?
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