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WTF!!!!!!!!!!!
« on: Feb 21st, 2005, 8:01pm » |
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This is bullshit in a major way!!!!!
http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20050215-091407-8035r.htm
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Re: WTF!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #1 on: Feb 21st, 2005, 8:09pm » |
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what did you expect from this spineless white house?
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Re: WTF!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #2 on: Feb 21st, 2005, 8:14pm » |
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on Feb 21st, 2005, 8:09pm, vig wrote:| what did you expect from this spineless white house? |
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Good point!!
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Re: WTF!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #3 on: Feb 21st, 2005, 10:39pm » |
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He'll be exonerated. Tried before a jury of his peers, there's no way ANY of them would convict him. More smoke and mirrors... 
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Re: WTF!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #4 on: Feb 21st, 2005, 11:32pm » |
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There is no jury in a court martial...
if its not a court martial, then there isnt a jury in the U.S. that would convict.
Ya, great message ....Hey Join the marines and serve your country, just be carefull not to shoot anyone...heh, specially in a war zone.
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Re: WTF!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #6 on: Feb 22nd, 2005, 12:07am » |
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Re: WTF!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #7 on: Feb 22nd, 2005, 12:53am » |
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Yikes...
This story is more than a week old.  I can't imagine it not being all over the news or that Larry King wouldn't be interviewing everybody and Saturday Night Live having a field day.
NY Times and Washington Post say this began on the 11th or something. You have to wonder WTF is going on. Looks like someone he knows turned him in.
Very shitty deal in any case. What a horror story 
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Re: WTF!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #8 on: Feb 22nd, 2005, 1:45am » |
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this is bullshit! Where do i sign the petition to support him? hell where do i send him email/letters so he knows I support him?
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Re: WTF!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #9 on: Feb 22nd, 2005, 4:38am » |
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www.defendthedefenders.org
I found this site... we can't let shit like this go on - regardless of what side of the world we live on. Its peace for all of us this kid was DOING HIS JOB for
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Re: WTF!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #11 on: Feb 22nd, 2005, 4:29pm » |
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How incredibly ignorant!!
I have never seen such horse shit !!
They better exonorate him or they are going to have a lot of explaining to do to the American People!
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Re: WTF!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #12 on: Feb 22nd, 2005, 5:20pm » |
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on Feb 21st, 2005, 11:32pm, Cerberus wrote:There is no jury in a court martial...
if its not a court martial, then there isnt a jury in the U.S. that would convict.
Ya, great message ....Hey Join the marines and serve your country, just be carefull not to shoot anyone...heh, specially in a war zone.
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Damn if this was the case then my husband would have been convicted in Korean. Rather he got a presidentail comendation. (know I spelled it wrong but typing fast.)
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Re: WTF!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #13 on: Feb 23rd, 2005, 1:54am » |
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Tia's hubby...
I can not believe that anyone in thier right mind could of brought these charges against him. He followed every set guideline under the rules of engagment. He acted in total compliance with the Uniform Code of Military Justice. After reporting the incodent to his superiors, he was found to be in the right and was not immediatly charged. Not to mention, how in the hell can you commit premeditated murder against 2 people when you had no fucking idea the situation would ever occur in the first place?
Just an fyi. The inital hearings are conducted by the Judge Advicate Generals office. If the JAG office finds the prosecution has grounds and evidence enough to proceed to a general court martial, a jury of 9 peers is chosen by the JAG Prosicution and the JAG attonery assigned to defend the accused. The jury panel comes back with a recomendation only to either convict or aquit. It is the Judges final descision if the person is actually convicted. Under normal circumstances, the judge is actually a panel of 3 judges in a capital offence that could result in the death penalty and 2 of the 3 must agree on the conviction and sentence.
Yes, I am speaking from first hand knowledge. I served on a jury panel during my 8 years that I was in the US Army Special Forces. I was also awarded a Presidential Service Award by Presdident George Bush Sr for doing the exact same thing in S. Korea while on duty in Panmunjon on the 38th parrell. The only difference was the guy I shot and killed had a WW II M-1 Carbine. Later it was discovered it did not have a firing pin or ammo in it.
I can't say he'll get off. He should but this is the military and strange shit happens all the time. If he is convicted, I don't want to even thing what'll happen.
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Re: WTF!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #14 on: Feb 23rd, 2005, 8:09am » |
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Thank you, Tia's hubby. Once again, I reiterate: Tried before a jury of his peers, he will most likely be exonerated.
Thank you for your service.
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I thought the rules of engagement were kill or be killed
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Re: WTF!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #16 on: Feb 23rd, 2005, 8:19am » |
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Those were the rules when I was in, Sean. If they've changed, I'm glad I'm out.
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Re: WTF!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #17 on: Feb 25th, 2005, 9:45pm » |
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Re: WTF!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #18 on: Feb 26th, 2005, 11:53pm » |
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Rules of engagment- do not fire untill fired upon.
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Now THIS is severely FUCKED!
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Re: WTF!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #20 on: Feb 28th, 2005, 10:03am » |
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I am so glad that Politicians and the media know the best way to fight a war. All these "Arm Chair Generals" in command of our troops. They all talk about how "Iraq is turning into a quagmire". Well I got news for them it is their fault because they wont allow the American Fighting Man do what he was trained and is paid to do. My opinion "Fuck The Goverment!".
Wasnt there an old song I am not sure but went something like this "looks like a revolution".
Sounds good to me!   
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Re: WTF!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #21 on: Feb 28th, 2005, 10:58am » |
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Its all about representation and cover your butt world. It is the only way the President can keep good contacts with people of Iraq.
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Re: WTF!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #22 on: Feb 28th, 2005, 11:30am » |
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What so they will let this man fry so that the President can keep good contract with the people of Iraq???? There is definatly something wrong with this mentality.
Actually from my undersatnding the Rules of engagement are not the same in a face to face confrontation. The "Do not fire until Fire upon" does not hold true in the way this was discribed. In this "Clearing" of the house this was a clear and present danger situation where they are allowed to protect themselves from a "preceived danger". He reported it and was backed up by his solderiers that there was a danger even if after the fact there was not a weapon.
Frank can you tell me if I am totally up side down on this?
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Re: WTF!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #23 on: Feb 28th, 2005, 11:35am » |
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If they don't don't drop the charges on that poor fuck, then something has gone way south in my Marine Corps.
Not that it will do much good, but I'm writing to the CMC with my not so humble opinion.
I hope I'm not the only former Marine grunt that does. This is a piss poor way to treat a decent Marine. Even if he is an officer.
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Re: WTF!!!!!!!!!!!
« Reply #24 on: Feb 28th, 2005, 11:45am » |
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on Feb 28th, 2005, 11:35am, Kirk wrote:If they don't don't drop the charges on that poor fuck, then something has gone way south in my Marine Corps.
Not that it will do much good, but I'm writing to the CMC with my not so humble opinion.
I hope I'm not the only former Marine grunt that does. This is a piss poor way to treat a decent Marine. Even if he is an officer. |
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8 year Jarhead here and damn proud of it. Fly my colors daily! It is a crying shame this Lt. superiours and the comadant are letting this go to a court martial. Chesty Puller is crying in his grave.
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