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Migraine commercial
« on: Nov 10th, 2004, 1:12pm » |
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The commercial was an ad for some sort of migraine medication. It said that migraine suffers get 1 to 2 headaches a month and they called this a "disturbance to one's life." Give me a fucking break. Any of us would kill, and I mean literally kill, for 1 to 2 headaches a month. It makes me mad because these people have it easy (comparatively speaking) and they seem to be the ones with all the new drugs and commercials. I know there are alot more migraine suffers out there than clusterheads but I would think that the pain we go through out ways everything. As far as the health system is concerned, money is the goal, not the health and happiness of the individual. Thanks for listening to my rant  .
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Re: Migraine commercial
« Reply #1 on: Nov 10th, 2004, 1:23pm » |
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Couldn't agree more with you! 
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Re: Migraine commercial
« Reply #2 on: Nov 10th, 2004, 1:39pm » |
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Quote:| As far as the health system is concerned, money is the goal, not the health and happiness of the individual. |
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Of course it is. Welcome to capitalist America.
Why is there a shortage of flu vaccines..............
very little profit.
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Re: Migraine commercial
« Reply #3 on: Nov 10th, 2004, 1:57pm » |
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capitalism and medicine don't work very well together.
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Re: Migraine commercial
« Reply #4 on: Nov 10th, 2004, 2:29pm » |
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Capitalist drug companies anyway. You'd think that they would all get together and work on some more vaccine.
What am I saying? No money in that. Boner pills advertised on the evening news, no cheaper CH drugs nor flu shots. Yes, I know it was made in England but funny there isn't a shortage north of the border.............
We have a great system. Had some tests the other day, and the first thing said to me when I walked in the office: "May we see your insurance card?" Too bad if I were too sick to reply. It's badly fucked up. I'm moving in with Svenn and Bente. 
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Re: Migraine commercial
« Reply #5 on: Nov 10th, 2004, 2:58pm » |
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They were being made in England...
By an AMERICAN company...
Chiron of Emeryville, California
http://www.chiron.com/products/index.html
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Re: Migraine commercial
« Reply #6 on: Nov 10th, 2004, 3:12pm » |
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2 days, one night and and flu vaccine in Montreal for 220 $... It's a new kind of tourism that had started this week here... They'are invading us... They came by bus fron N-Y and leave with a smile
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Re: Migraine commercial
« Reply #7 on: Nov 10th, 2004, 3:15pm » |
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I get migraines, too, but they are pretty much walk in the park in comparison with CH. Too bad my mum still thinks that they are the same thing. Oh well...
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Re: Migraine commercial
« Reply #8 on: Nov 10th, 2004, 3:30pm » |
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DO YOU PEOPLE FORGET THAT I AM OUT HERE??? YES YOUR FRIEND THE ONE THAT SUPPORTS YOU... THE MIGRAINE SUFFERER... NOT ALL MIGRAINE are 2 a month. I am a chronic sufferer... there are months that I get MIGRAINE 3 weeks out of the month and I have a weeks break. So before you pretend you know what its about... talk to me. Also try having pain that dibilitates you for 9 hours at a time because if I dont take the abortives at the right time nothing aborts it. With Migraine YOU HAVE to lie down I know you guys pace and that you cannot lie down... Well try living with a condition that will get better if you lie down and a job that doesnt let you lie down... Try having pain in your head for 9-10 hours and watching 5 toddlers... I never ever compare pain... I realize that your pain is worse... and according to you Migraine is a walk in the park... I am walking "no where" when my Migraines flare.......I am on a preventative, suplements and the same abortives as you... Remember if they didnt make Migraine meds you guys would be up the creek without a paddle..........Why are you so hostile towards Migraine sufferers? Its like someone saying their cancer isnt as serious as another persons. My husband suffers with CH and he at least has remission from pain... I dont..........sometimes I think you guys forget about me and I have never forgotten ANY of you... ree
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and the latest evidence from the CH experts suggests that migraine and Ch are more closely related than Ch sufferers would like think.
It looks very possible that our next potentially useful abortive will come from migraine research yet again
Love from Wendy who also gets migraines
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Re: Migraine commercial
« Reply #10 on: Nov 10th, 2004, 3:44pm » |
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 Give me a freakin' break. Migraine drugs, boner drugs (as Charlie would put it) and other drugs fund the research into drugs for us. Get over it. If GSK didn't get the money from somewhere, why would they make a drug for 1% of the population? I've said it before and I'll say it again...would your company make a product for 1% of the population? And when it is expensive, would you be suprised when they bitch about the costs? Face it, we got lucky with Trex...it might not have worked at all. Be thankfull that you have that much, and quit bitching about the price. If it's too expensive, don't buy it and suffer. I'm sick and tired of everyone bitching to hear the sound of their own voice. I've paid full price for trex in the past and will do it again, if I have to. I'd rather pay then suffer. I would pay $200 per single shot if I had to. If you wouldn't, then you aren't in that much pain.
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Re: Migraine commercial
« Reply #11 on: Nov 10th, 2004, 3:48pm » |
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I agree Ree... Migraine is migraine and CH is something else we should not compare... I think we only feel a bit of frustration cause we dont have the same exposure... Also... we love to say that our pain is stronger... I think it's helping some of us with our self confidence... 
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on Nov 10th, 2004, 3:44pm, Tom K wrote: Migraine drugs, boner drugs (as Charlie would put it) and other drugs fund the research into drugs for us. Get over it. If GSK didn't get the money from somewhere, why would they make a drug for 1% of the population?
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Actually, the taxpayer funds a good deal of the research, and companies like GSK pocket the profits.
Quote:| . I've paid full price for trex in the past and will do it again, if I have to. I'd rather pay then suffer. I would pay $200 per single shot if I had to. If you wouldn't, then you aren't in that much pain. |
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Sure, there are people that will drain their bank accounts and then mug little old ladies to get trex. The pain is that bad. That doesn't mean that price is irrelevant, or that high prices are good. Economists on both sides of the political aisle agree that we have multiple market failures in our health system. Competition - good (lower prices, more choice) Monopolies & Oligopolies - bad. As a group, the drug companies are an oligopoly, and they have monopolies on a number of treatments.
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Re: Migraine commercial
« Reply #13 on: Nov 10th, 2004, 4:49pm » |
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Quote:| Give me a freakin' break. Migraine drugs, boner drugs (as Charlie would put it) and other drugs fund the research into drugs for us. Get over it. If GSK didn't get the money from somewhere, why would they make a drug for 1% of the population? I've said it before and I'll say it again...would your company make a product for 1% of the population? |
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Utter bullshit. Somewhere, a bunch of drug company CEOs sit around a table and note that unbelievably, there still are some people dumb enough to buy our R&D scam. Right on the CH Message Board. By the way, how is that new golf course you're building in your back yard cominig along Fred?
From a recent soon to be published book: "Yes, prescription drugs are expensive, but that shows how valuable they are. Besides, our research and development costs are enormous, and we need to cover them somehow. As 'research-based' companies, we turn out a steady stream of innovative medicines that lengthen life, enhance its quality, and avert more expensive medical care. You are the beneficiaries of this ongoing achievement of the American free enterprise system, so be grateful, quit whining, and pay up." More prosaically, what the industry is saying is that you get what you pay for.
"But while the rhetoric is stirring, it has very little to do with reality. First, research and development (R&D) is a relatively small part of the budgets of the big drug companies—dwarfed by their vast expenditures on marketing and administration, and smaller even than profits. In fact, year after year, for over two decades, this industry has been far and away the most profitable in the United States. (In 2003, for the first time, the industry lost its first-place position, coming in third, behind "mining, crude oil production," and "commercial banks." The prices drug companies charge have little relationship to the costs of making the drugs and could be cut dramatically without coming anywhere close to threatening R&D."
This, and that of the top ten drug companies, half are European and sell their products there for a fraction of what they get here....why? Because they can get away with it here. Most of this "R&D" is used to slightly vary the formula of drugs running out of patent so they can tell us of new drugs that aren't so new.
The bottom line is the thing. Go ahead, shoot yourself in the foot again and again and again.
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Re: Migraine commercial
« Reply #14 on: Nov 10th, 2004, 5:05pm » |
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Quote:Most of this "R&D" is used to slightly vary the formula of drugs running out of patent so they can tell us of new drugs that aren't so new.
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Most of the time they don't even change the formula. They just change the package and call it new.
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Re: Migraine commercial
« Reply #15 on: Nov 10th, 2004, 5:15pm » |
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on Nov 10th, 2004, 5:05pm, BobG wrote:
Most of the time they don't even change the formula. They just change the package and call it new. |
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Like Excedrin Migraine,
oooooooh, they added Caffeine! oooooooh
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Re: Migraine commercial
« Reply #16 on: Nov 10th, 2004, 6:09pm » |
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So, you are really bashing the company for making a profit. Is that it? OOOO, can't have a company make a profit. The drug companies can only make drugs for the people with CH. Right? Isn't that what you are driving at? Fuck any other ailments, no matter how big or small they are. So what, Viagra is a big seller. If you couldn't get it up and wanted to, you would buy it, too. Maybe that is the underlying problem. Why don't you ask your doctor about Viagra. Maybe it would change your outlook on a lot of things Who the hell cares if they sell it for more here? I don't. If you could sell your product at twice the cost of production in another country, you would do it in a heart beat. It's called capitalism. What, do you want to go pay for your trex with a couple of chickens? The world doesn't work that way. The company I work for is out to make a profit, yours is too. Get over it. If companies don't make profits, then they go under.
Quote:| Utter bullshit. Somewhere, a bunch of drug company CEOs sit around a table and note that unbelievably, there still are some people dumb enough to buy our R&D scam. Right on the CH Message Board. By the way, how is that new golf course you're building in your back yard cominig along Fred? |
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What's sad is that you actually believe this. Are you in the Illuminati runs the world crowd, too? Black helicopters and tin foil hats? Major League Baseball is scanning your minds with satellites. They set up the BoSox win because they needed ratings...more ratings, more mind control. Planes flying overhead leave mind control drugs in the contrails....sheeshhh
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Re: Migraine commercial
« Reply #17 on: Nov 10th, 2004, 6:17pm » |
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It's always fun to read your harsh comments T... You surely love trash radio... I still love you though
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Re: Migraine commercial
« Reply #18 on: Nov 10th, 2004, 6:41pm » |
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Didn't mean to start a fight, lol.
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Re: Migraine commercial
« Reply #19 on: Nov 10th, 2004, 6:44pm » |
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Quote:I would pay $200 per single shot if I had to. If you wouldn't, then you aren't in that much pain.
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Ouch. Some people can't pay that much. Maybe I don't have CH afterall. 
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Ree I could not agree with you more. How can we clusterheads expect any compassion when we have none for anyone other then ourselves? I’m new to this condition. But one thing I made up my mind about after coming here for the first time and reading posts and talking in the chatroom was that I would NOT endorse this attitude of. “My pain is worse then yours” attitude. Pain is pain!
SOME of us are willing to do anything needed to help the cluster community in getting the word out there and helping our fellow clusterheads get the information and support needed WITHOUT slamming other people’s medical conditions. If you are NOT one of those people we don’t need you.
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Re: Migraine commercial
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I hear ya Ree - and God bless you for being a supporter and a sufferer as well. It's a tough job to walk in both worlds.
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Re: Migraine commercial
« Reply #22 on: Nov 10th, 2004, 9:05pm » |
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on Nov 10th, 2004, 3:35pm, pubgirl wrote:| It looks very possible that our next potentially useful abortive will come from migraine research yet again |
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I've heard that the more extensive research and money applied toward migraines may have unintentionally helped by genetic findings from Milan, as one example.
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UNFORGETTABLE REE??? No way queen of turtles!
Per the commercial though, the reaction from a cluster board regarding one or two migraines a month getting tv attention, research adequate to formulate drugs for, and getting the public distinction as " a disturbance to life", can be a frustrating message to swallow as a clusterhead. The range of "disturbance to life" from migraines can be more extensive than the ad's example gave. An ad about clusters would simply have the viewing public going, "what are they talking about?" The commercial is reaching to those who may suffer once or twice a month,or more extensively perhaps, gaining awareness for it's remedy and additional demand.
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Re: Migraine commercial
« Reply #23 on: Nov 10th, 2004, 9:25pm » |
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Quote:| So, you are really bashing the company for making a profit. Is that it? OOOO, can't have a company make a profit. The drug companies can only make drugs for the people with CH. Right? Isn't that what you are driving at? |
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Not in the least. I would never ask them to do that. It's ridiculous. It applies to too many illnesses.
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I do so long as they they are in bed with every legislator and HMO they can find to make profits trump service in ways that are incomprehensible. It's obscene at the moment. Profits are fine so long as they bear some semblance to reality.
Quote:If you could sell your product at twice the cost of production in another country, you would do it in a heart beat. It's called capitalism. What, do you want to go pay for your trex with a couple of chickens? The world doesn't work that way. The company I work for is out to make a profit, yours is too. Get over it. If companies don't make profits, then they go under.
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Unfortunatley, drugs are not most products or imports. Bad ones can be deadly or be priced out of reach for those who need them to survive but can't afford them. An iota of compassion wouldn't kill them. Yeah. I'm a capitalist too but when drugs were unregulated nearly 100 years ago, a lot of drug company "cures" were variations of spiced alcohol and narcotics. Drug companies made tons of money while changing labels. Not everything government does is bad.
This isn't one of those countless conspiracy theories. God, I love 'em. There's too much scholarship and evidence on this issue from serious people who know what they're doing.
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Re: Migraine commercial
« Reply #24 on: Nov 10th, 2004, 10:25pm » |
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Get migraines with CH. I wouldn't blame a company for making profits, but Billions? All the while taking subsidies for R&D from the feds. In the meantime other R&d being blocked because a substance is considered illegal? Makes alot of sense. Think I'll scream now.
Plenty of money for boner ads though. Migraines hurt too.
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