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A Hated Minority
« on: Nov 6th, 2004, 12:25pm » |
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I am a liberal and I am rapidly becoming a hated minority in this country.
Here is how many conservatives are stereotyping me:
I don't get "it."
I am out of touch.
I do not understand America.
I have rage.
I am morally deficient.
I feel, but don't know how to think, while being an intellectual elitist that supported a candidate that used his brain too much.
I am not patriotic. I do not honor those who sacrifice in Iraq and Afghanistan because I have doubts about the policy behind the war in Iraq.
I am tired of being constructed as a "lessor" American and an incompetent voter, with a bankrupt vision for my country.
I too pay my taxes. I do my job and adhere to my responsibilities. I care about all Americans and respect the voice of the people as they re-elected Mr. Bush. My positions on many policy matters derive from my love for my country. And though most conservatives may not agree with me, my points of view are just as rational, legitimate, thoughtful, and based in ethics and morality as theirs.
In 2000 there was talk of sore "loserman." In 2004 we are lacking gracious winners. We lack winners who obviously do not understand democracy and what it means to respect and honor the opposition. Mr. Madison wrote much about the "faction of the majority" when he was constructing his vision for our new country. Mr. Washington understood the importance of unification and consensus. Mr. Bush has spoken eloquently in recent days along similar lines. I intend to wait and see where he takes us next before attacking him. Why can't Mr. Bush's supporters join him and follow his leadership? Why can't his supporters be gracious and allow the losing side a moment or two to vent?
I am not sure that today's new majority understands the importance of compromise, tolerence and plurality. This is what makes American democracy work. And as they lack this critical understanding they place their ability to lead this country in jeopardy and will very likely watch their new conservative coalition fail.
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Re: A Hated Minority
« Reply #1 on: Nov 6th, 2004, 12:35pm » |
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Re: A Hated Minority
« Reply #3 on: Nov 6th, 2004, 1:07pm » |
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You guys just validated my point.
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on Nov 6th, 2004, 1:07pm, Bethany1 wrote:You guys just validated my point.
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I'm a Bad American: Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2001
Written by Ted Nugent, the rock singer and hunter/naturalist, upon hearing that California Senators B. Boxer and D. Feinstein denounced him for being a "gun owner" and a "Rock Star." This was his response after telling the senators about his past contributions to children's charities and scholarship foundations which have totaled more than $13.7 million in the last 5 years!
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I'm a Bad American-this pretty much sums it up for me. I like big trucks, big boats, big houses, and naturally, pretty women. I believe the money I make belongs to me and my family, not some midlevel governmental functionary with a bad comb-over who wants to give it away to crack addicts squirting out babies. I
don't care about appearing compassionate. I think playing with toy guns doesn't make you a killer. I believe ignoring your kids and giving them Prozac might. I think I'm doing better than the homeless. I don't think being a minority makes you noble or victimized. I have the right not to be tolerant of others because they are different, weird or make me mad. This is my life to live, and not necessarily up to others expectations.
I know what SEX is and there are not varying degrees of it. I don't celebrate Kwanzaa. But if you want to that's fine; I just don't feel like everyone else should have to. I believe that if you are selling me a Dairy Queen shake, a pack of cigarettes, or hotel room you do it in English. As of matter of fact, if you are an American citizen you should speak English. My uncles and forefathers shouldn't have had to die in vain so you can leave the countries you were born in to come disrespect ours, and make us bend to your will. Get over it.
I think the cops have every right to shoot your sorry butt if you're running from them after they tell you to stop. If you can't understand the word 'freeze' or 'stop' in English, see the previous line. I don't use the excuse "it's for the children" as a shield for unpopular opinions or actions. I know how to count votes and I feel much safer letting a machine with no political affiliation do a recount when needed. I know what the definition of lying is, and it isn't based on the word "is"-ever.
I don't think just because you were not born in this country, you qualify for any special loan programs, gov's sponsored bank loans, etc., so you can open a hotel, 7-Eleven, trinket shop, or any thing else, while the indigenous
peoples can't get past a high school education because they can't afford it. I didn't take the initiative in inventing the Internet.
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I thought the Taco Bell dog was funny. I want them to bring back safe and sane fireworks. I believe no one ever died because of something Ozzy Osbourne, Ice-T or Marilyn Manson sang, but that doesn't mean I want to listen to that crap from someone else's car when I'm stopped at a red light. But I respect your right to.
I think that being a student doesn't give you any more enlightenment than
working at Blockbuster or Jack In The Box. I don't want to eat or drink
anything with the words light, lite or fat-free on the package.
Our soldiers did not go to some foreign country and risk their lives in vain and defend our Constitution so that decades later you can tell me it's a living document ever changing and is open to interpretation. The guys who wrote it were light years ahead of anyone today, and they meant what they said -- now leave the document alone, or there's going to be trouble.
I don't hate the rich. I help the poor. I know wrestling is fake. I've never owned, or was a slave, and a large percentage of our forefathers weren't wealthy enough to own one either. Please stop blaming me because some prior white people were idiots -- and remember, tons of white, Indian, Chinese, and other races have been enslaved too -- it was wrong for every one of them. I believe a self-righteous liberal with a cause is more dangerous than a Hell's Angel with an attitude.
I want to know exactly which church is it where the "Reverend"Jessie Jackson
preaches; and, what exactly is his job function. I own a gun, you can own a
gun, and any red blooded American should be allowed to own a gun, but if you
use it in a crime, then you will serve the time.
I think Bill Gates has every right to keep every penny he made and continue
to make more. If it makes you mad, then invent the next operating system
that's better and put your name on the building. Ask your buddy that invented the Internet to help you.
I don't believe in hate crime legislation. Even suggesting it makes me mad.
You're telling me that someone who is a minority, gay, disabled, another
nationality, or otherwise different from the mainstream of this country has
more value as a human being that I do as a white male. If someone kills
anyone, I'd say that it's a hate crime. We don't need more laws! Let's enforce the ones we already have.
I think turkey bacon, turkey beef, turkey fake anything sucks. I believe that it doesn't take a village to raise a child-it takes a parent with the guts to stand up to the kid and spank his butt and say "NO!" when it's necessary to do so. I'll admit that the only movie that ever made me cry was Ole Yeller. I didn't realize Dr. Seuss was a genius until I had a kid.
I will not be frowned upon or be looked down upon or be made to keep silent
because I have these beliefs and opinions. I thought this country allowed me
that right. I will not conform or compromise just to keep from hurting
somebody's feelings. I'm neither angry nor disenfranchised, no matter how
desperately the mainstream media would like the world to believe otherwise.
Yes, I guess by some people's definition, I may be a bad American. But that's tough.
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Bethany,
You have an obvious point, what's there to prove. It's true, you are minority, but so are the folks on the far right. The majority of the US are silent *moderates*. They are not going to insult you and frankly they won't even engage in any political talk. They want the US to do well, they believe in moderate, reasonable changes to our makeup and they *don't* want radical changes that will rock the boat and make us unstable. They may identify with one party or the other, some are democrats and some are republicans. This election a great 'polarization' happened. How? The moderates who identify with republicans felt like they were being attacked by vocal liberals, and the opposite was probably true. Being attacked causes a human being to take a defensive posture.
As far as the insults being thrown at you (the ones you discussed in your post), IMHO you are choosing to listen to the wrong people.
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Re: A Hated Minority
« Reply #8 on: Nov 6th, 2004, 2:01pm » |
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I like you Bethany........... its all about being an American. You can pierce your ears... you can jump up and down (as long as you do it between certain hours)... you can say what you want~~~ you can like what you want... but you have to realize everyone isnt going to agree with you...
Congratulations on being American!!!! I love my status!
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ps Mr Bush is supposed to be moraly ok because he doesnt believe in abortion according to this country... Well what about the Death Penalty doesn't his state kill several people a year... and that was also going on during his "reign" as Governor.......... don't let those nutz bother you... His moralz are a little twisted if you ask me... He doesnt killem young no he waits til they are 17 and sends them off to war~~~ go figure... I don't believe in abortion either but...
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Re: A Hated Minority
« Reply #9 on: Nov 6th, 2004, 2:02pm » |
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Well the Rebublicans don't have an excuse now. They have the majority in the House & Senate & also the President.
So everything is going to be Peaches & Roses, by the next 4 years & if it isn't...Who will they blame????
Hmmmmm, I'm sure they'll find something or somebody.
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Re: A Hated Minority
« Reply #10 on: Nov 6th, 2004, 2:52pm » |
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Morally correct is:
Hungry kids in Appalachia,
Under funded schools in in most states,
Americans unable to get a hospital bed in California because they are all taken by illegal aliens and paid for by American taxpayers,
Shipping nuclear waste from the East coast (where gigantic profits are made), across the USA (by a minimum-wage trucker with the lowest bid), passed YOUR house and neighborhood, to Nevada (that has no nuclear facilities to profit from nor ever produced nuclear waste), to be put in a leaky cave built on an earthquake fault,
To take the economy from a surplus to an unheard of deficit.
To move 7 million jobs to foreign countries.
To attack a foreign country that IS NOT and has NEVER BEEN a threat to the USA and have American soldiers, sailors and marines dying there.
And morally correct is a dead child in Iraq is still dead.
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Re: A Hated Minority
« Reply #11 on: Nov 6th, 2004, 3:10pm » |
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Bethany1,
if it's any conselation, there are nation with 71% of people who would have wanted Kerry to win and ask now: what the hell they were thinking?
The country is called Finland.
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Re: A Hated Minority
« Reply #12 on: Nov 6th, 2004, 3:20pm » |
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Billy,
Deadly Tedly runs many safe-gunhandling camps year round here in MI and is real big about keeping kids off drugs. He personally spends time with kids hunting and fishing and camping and makes it very clear he will personally address anyone. I respect his educational gun programs and his anti-drug efforts, he's created a lot of good. He's never short of words.
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SHUT THE FUCK UP!
We are not dems or repubs....we are clusterheads!
Election is over....so get over yourselfs (Thanks Drummer)
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Re: A Hated Minority
« Reply #14 on: Nov 6th, 2004, 3:26pm » |
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on Nov 6th, 2004, 2:01pm, Ree wrote:
ps Mr Bush is supposed to be moraly ok because he doesnt believe in abortion according to this country... Well what about the Death Penalty doesn't his state kill several people a year... and that was also going on during his "reign" as Governor.......... don't let those nutz bother you... His moralz are a little twisted if you ask me... He doesnt killem young no he waits til they are 17 and sends them off to war~~~ go figure... I don't believe in abortion either but... |
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Since 1982, 332 people have been executed by the Texas Department of Corrections.
Every one of the executed was give due process under the law and found guilty.
http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/stat/deathrow.htm
There is a HUGE difference between abortion and the death penalty. Babies don't murder people. But Texans do execute murderers. And if you steal our horses, legally we can hang you from our oak tree out in the back forty  ....
I am PROUD to be an AMERICAN and a TEXAN.
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Re: A Hated Minority
« Reply #15 on: Nov 6th, 2004, 3:32pm » |
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Bethany,
I am a conservative. I have heard the exact same things mentioned in your post directed towards MY views. I agree with John D's post in that it's the loudest voices who often spew the smallest sense.
There is no hate and we all have our views. The "hate" you speak of is the voice of media and propaganda on behalf of those whose pockets are delivering the message.  This crap comes from both sides and is not a reflection on you, me or the next guy in the voting booth.
No one living in the US is a "hated minority". You need information on hated minorities?...... just take out your handy dandy world map and check it out. There is plenty of hated minorities in plenty of places throughout the world. That's why they are literally dying to get into THIS country. Just for that exquisite freedom to complain.............
All we can do in the end is listen!!!!!!! And learn!!!!!!!!! And be damn thankful that we shall always be afforded the opportunity to form our own values and let them be heard***
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Re: A Hated Minority
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on Nov 6th, 2004, 2:52pm, BobG wrote:Morally correct is:
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I use the term fundamentally correct. The current buzz over 'values' being the most important campaign issue only makes sense if the word 'values' is seen as a code for fundamentalists that want an American theocracy. Its not that 20% of the voters are the only ones concerned with values - its just that 1 in 5 people want the government to promote religion. Their interpretation of religion.
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Re: A Hated Minority
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The thing is, liberals are the majority. They just don't vote like the right. Republicans know they are outnumbered so they always vote and rarely have third party stuff to deal with. Democrats have behaved like idiots for the last two elections. Why they didn't pound daily on health care, health care, health care, is beyond me.
Also, because of the fear and hate mongers on the far right, people are persuaded to vote against their own economic and political interests. It's quite amazing that these people will shoot themselves in the foot to avoid having those door to door flag burning abortionists and amoral gays living next door having their sex parties and recruiting your children.
Neocons need hate tagetes. They decided to hate us. Fear and religion are the main wedges. They try to make us feel guilty for all the wrongs in society and that
if we even think about taking a second look, we are unpatriotic. Only blind faith is good, reasoned approaches are bad, liberal, anti-American, dangerous, and ungodly. It's worked so far. The most dangerous thing about them is we have a man in office that thinks it's fine that this blind faith should trump science. That goes against our long history of inventiveness and rationalism.
I wouldn't have used Iraq so much. Most people don't get that we are using it as a wedge in that part of the world. By making lots of noise and having a few bases there, the rest of them there A-Rabs have to play nice with us. Iraqis won't of course, nobody likes being occupied but Saudis know they must.
Politics is facing realities. Bush does anything but; because we have been lazy, he doesn't have to....for now. Aside from one or two social issues, these neocons don't care for us, they care only about getting elected. Even then, they ignore us. George is anything but a "compassionate conservative." He isn't even a conservative. He's a danger to us and the world. Our biggest assault in the war on Iraq has been against the Bill of Rights.
No need to feel bad about being a liberal. It's Bush that has united our enemies and alienated our friends. Just the opposite of conservatism.
Never fear, over time, historically, things tend get better. This current dip on the reality chart will get a boost from one of us. My hope is that for our sake it won't take a Bush blunder to wake us up. I truly do. He isn't evil. He just wants to be liked by the entire right wing. That's not good for anybody.
The President is here to serve us, not we to serve him.
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Re: A Hated Minority
« Reply #19 on: Nov 6th, 2004, 4:30pm » |
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Charlie, i voted with full knowledge of my rights under the constitution of the United States of America. Yew suggest that those that voted outside their political affiliation did so out of "fear"???????????
Fear of what exactly????
Charlie, I think you are a nice man who is intimidated by the wrong elements of the world. You live upstate NY - rite? You deal with antiques? rite? You seem like such an amicable guy, yet i sense that you are angry. I have never understood your comments regarding the existing process RITE HERE WHERE YOU LIVE AND ENJOY A SEEMINGLY STABLE LIFE when you MUST KNOW HOW BAD IT COULD BE ELSEWHERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am curious to hear your comments when and if and in the event a democrat ACTUALLY DOES MANAGE TO GET THEMSELVES ELECTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why do you INSIST on the negative input and expect us to eat it up when it is only the exact opposite side of the same block of crap and helps NO ONE????
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Re: A Hated Minority
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That is the best quote of the day... I'm tired of earing those things... can we talk about something else now.
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Re: A Hated Minority
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Plug your hole. I still want Charlie to answer the question.
See? This is why Americans are so ..............so...................so.............................(what? ) so......................fucking fantastic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: A Hated Minority
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No. There is nothing wrong with being or having conservative views. It's that a lot of poor people in red states, who probably can't affrord to study political science, vote for whom Pat Robertson says rather than look around a bit. I'm an atheist but I'm not one of the screwballs who cares about nativity scenes in the town square, crosses, ten commandments in city hall or the pledge of allegiance. It's minor stuff to me and I don't think this kind of thing, when there are more important questions in the world, should be such a determinant in an election. Looks like it is though.
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Fear professed by tv preachers, gays, abortion, prayer in schools, and telling people that Democrats would ban the bible, even in bookstores. Also that everybody has to hunker down, everywhere because Homeland Security says so. This kind of thing is often used as a way to grab a little more power....by both sides.
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To you and so many, the wrong elements are anyone you don't agree with. I remember when we were posting about who we would like to see running in the election. I said John McCain and General Wesley Clark on my side. The first thing I got was a post all about how bad Clark's ideas were. General Clark is a good guy.
Quote:HERE WHERE YOU LIVE AND ENJOY A SEEMINGLY STABLE LIFE when you MUST KNOW HOW BAD IT COULD BE ELSEWHERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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My negative input pales in the face of swift boat rants and all the bashing of Kerry's war records. The Bush campaigin was nothing but negative. Worked. I don't expect everyone to eat it up. It's just that my side seems outnumbered here. You let Ted get away with it.
As I've said before, it's okay to be a conservative. It's not okay to be nuts. The far far right and the Noam Chomskys (to add one to my side) fall into the nut category. The newly elected Senator from Oklahoma said that the schools are rampant with lesbians. Hard to beat that for rational thought.
Tell you what: It's good exercise....and yer right, I am a nice guy. So are the rest of us. I like politics and the people here are pretty good at it too.
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Re: A Hated Minority
« Reply #23 on: Nov 6th, 2004, 5:12pm » |
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Well... go ahead Charlie... make her day
Anyway Charlie is one of the few I like to read Politically talking of course... for the rest I like to read you all
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Re: A Hated Minority
« Reply #24 on: Nov 6th, 2004, 5:16pm » |
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Wow
Look what I started.
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