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And the winner is!
« on: Nov 3rd, 2004, 8:11am » |
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and the right to speak, vote, absatin or protest w/o fear of reprisals.
This is worth fighting for!
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Re: And the winner is!
« Reply #1 on: Nov 3rd, 2004, 8:43am » |
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Democracy is always a WINNER.... Congrats to the winners... 
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I must say, each and every time I leave from voting, I can't help but feel a huge sense of gratitude for those who died to give me that privilage. It makes my eyes tear up every time. Heck, even when NOT voting I feel it just by the freedoms we enjoy every day. I love Democracy!!! 
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Re: And the winner is!
« Reply #3 on: Nov 3rd, 2004, 9:04am » |
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You may not like the outcome but ya gotta love the freedom to partake in the process.
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Re: And the winner is!
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Looks like G.W. may actually win his first presidential election.
Gotta love the right to vote but the process sure could use an overhaul.
Kerry supporter here who will support the peoples choice regardless.
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Well, seems that Kerry has called Bush to concede Ohio and the Presidency. Looks like Bush is the new, re-elected President of the United States.
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Congratulations to the winners. May the tone of this next four years be one of bipartisan cooperation, and may the extreme polarization and bitterness among our people be healed.
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People waited in line 3-10 hours to vote.
That says something about our country's precious right to choose our leaders.
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Yes it is!
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Re: And the winner is!
« Reply #8 on: Nov 3rd, 2004, 11:56am » |
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I've always thought that after voting there should be a mass of confetti and a parade and flags and a good old Sousa march playing to celebrate our freedom of democracy and those who protect it.
Doesn't really happen, but my 6yr old and I "sing" the Star and Stripes Forever. I took him to vote with me yesterday. It took us a while because he had to read all the candidates and referendums himself....out loud. "Mommy pick THAT one!" 
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Re: And the winner is!
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on Nov 3rd, 2004, 11:44am, Jeepgun wrote:| May the tone of this next four years be one of bipartisan cooperation, and may the extreme polarization and bitterness among our people be healed. |
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I wouldn't hold my breath on that one. The Far Right is going to see this as a mandate from the people to impose their will on the rest of the country. And the effects will last a LONG time, with the expected Supreme Court appointments.
Plus, 11 states (13, counting the ones who decided the issue in the primaries) have decided that people like me are "less than" and not deserving of any right to decide my own legal standing.
Forgive me if I'm not jumping for joy today. Instead, I'm contemplating a move to a different country, and regretting the seven years of my life that I apparently wasted in defense of this country.
Call me overly dramatic, I don't really care. Just in a funk over things for the moment.
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Jeepgun
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Joe, your years of service were not wasted. I really don't know what to say to you, though... I'm pleased that this election won't turn into a protracted legal skirmish, and I'm pleased that democracy has prevailed. I'm sad for the many disillusioned people who truly felt that Senator Kerry was the man for the job, and that he would win the election.
Anyway, FWIW: 
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Re: And the winner is!
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Thank you, Frank, it's a nice sentiment.
All I can think is, we get the government we deserve.
I'll keep that in mind for the next 4 years.
Joe
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Quote:regretting the seven years of my life that I apparently wasted in defense of this country.
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Dont regret it Joe. What you defended were the priciples this country was founded on. I walked into a voting booth yesterday and didn't have to pass buy someone holding a machine gun. Thats what you defended. My right to choose without fear of reprisal.
This Joe Shmoe appreciates your service more than ever on an election day.
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on Nov 3rd, 2004, 11:44am, Jeepgun wrote:| Congratulations to the winners. May the tone of this next four years be one of bipartisan cooperation, and may the extreme polarization and bitterness among our people be healed. |
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Congratulations to President Bush on being elected to a second term. He regained the authority of the people to be in the White House for another 4 years. The system is working.
Bipartisanship? Nice sentiment and I wish, but with control of the White House, the Senate and House of Represenatatives, there really little need for compromise. To pretend that Bush/Cheney/Rove and the unrepentant ghost of Lee At-water would work so hard to get control, and not run with it and implement their agenda is irrational. That's what democracy is about. That's why this election was so tense. The people have spoken, and the mold for the next 4 years has been cast.
Edited: OK, so now the software recognizes At.water as a rude word and replaces it with Athingyer? Hah!
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Re: And the winner is!
« Reply #14 on: Nov 3rd, 2004, 1:16pm » |
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on Nov 3rd, 2004, 12:05pm, PittsburghJoe wrote:| Plus, 11 states (13, counting the ones who decided the issue in the primaries) have decided that people like me are "less than" and not deserving of any right to decide my own legal standing. |
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I'd like to offer my deepest sympathy Joe. This is one issue I just can't understand in a free country. I think the US will look back with embarrassment about this someday.
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Re: And the winner is!
« Reply #15 on: Nov 3rd, 2004, 1:28pm » |
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I just got home from volunteering at my kid's school, I haven't wanted to turn on the TV yet. Bi-paritsan cooperation seems like a fairy tale right now. I am not feeling especially optimistic about our future, if indeed Bush is the winner.
I'm going to have to make one more point before I stop talking politics (It's spiking my blood pressure)... Quote:| I can't help but feel a huge sense of gratitude for those who died to give me that privilage. |
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Mel - I hope you mean those who died in the 1770's, because OUR privilages and our security have not been threatened outright since the Cuban Missile Crisis and before that the Japanese in WWII. I must have missed the attempted invasion of the US by the Iraqi Air Force and Navy.
And Joe - you're right. We get what we deserve. I'm sorry because a Bush victory hits you hardest. Your service was very meaninful. You made the choice to stand up and put your ass on the line to defend our country if it ever needed defending. That, my friend, is an honorable thing to do.
Where's the shoot myself in the head emoticon?
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A commentator on CNN put it very well, in the wee hours of this morning: "After this election is over with, the Democratic party is going to need to take an introspective look at why things have turned out so lopsided and how they have lost touch with the majority of voters."
I voted for President Bush and I'm pleased that he won the election, however, if the Democrats were to field a conservative candidate with a well-defined platform and concrete plans for the programs s/he promotes, I might be likely to vote for them. At the beginning of the campaign, my first thought was, "Is this the best that the Democratic party can come up with???"
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on Nov 3rd, 2004, 1:28pm, nani wrote:
Mel - I hope you mean those who died in the 1770's, because OUR privilages and our security have not been threatened outright since the Cuban Missile Crisis and before that the Japanese in WWII. I must have missed the attempted invasion of the US by the Iraqi Air Force and Navy.
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nani, give me a freakin break!! I am not naive nor ignorant enough to warrant such a comment, nor am I going to answer it.
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I guess you left your television off on 9/11/01, eh Nani?
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Re: And the winner is!
« Reply #19 on: Nov 3rd, 2004, 1:46pm » |
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Sorry mel ... I didn't mean to offend you. I am just so tired of hearing people talk about how our servicemen and women are defending our freedom, when in my opinion, sending them into wars somewhere else is not defending our anything...our freedom is, and has been,safe and sound. My apologies... 
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Apology accepted nani.
My statement about soldiers who died in order for me to be able to vote, had zilch to do with what has happened in the last 4 yrs. I understand the history of the United States and was reflecting on yes, what happened long ago. Coming from a military family myself, I have always felt that the voting rights we have are never to be taken for granted, in war or peace. You never know how someday they could be taken away from us...
Anyway, I do feel your frustration and understand your point of view.
take care,
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on Nov 3rd, 2004, 1:46pm, nani wrote:| our freedom is, and has been,safe and sound. |
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Well, all except for 5,000 Americans who were slaughtered, and all except for the suicidal terrorists who bombed and sank the USS Cole, blew up our embassy in Africa, and bombed the World Trade Center during former president Clinton's term of office, and all except for these same terrorists who would love to kill each and every last American, destroy our country, destroy our way of life, and subjugate the whole world to the bootheel of fundamentalist Islam, just like the peaceful, gentle people of the Taliban and Saddam Hussein's regime. Yep. Other than that, everything's just peachy.
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Re: And the winner is!
« Reply #22 on: Nov 3rd, 2004, 1:57pm » |
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IMHO.. 09/11/01 was a direct threat to our security...and a horrific price was paid by many. And maybe we dont belong in wars in some places...but it DOES NOT, in any manner, lessen the fact that our men & women in the service are defending our rights & freedoms...everyday....
just my opinion
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on Nov 3rd, 2004, 1:31pm, Jeepgun wrote:A commentator on CNN put it very well, in the wee hours of this morning: "After this election is over with, the Democratic party is going to need to take an introspective look at why things have turned out so lopsided and how they have lost touch with the majority of voters."
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Lopsided? 51-48% in the popular vote is lopsided? One state determining the victor is lopsided? A small fluctuation in Ohio and it would have been President Kerry. Bush went from a 90% approval rating to 51% yesterday. Bush-Kerry was not lopsided. Bush-Gore was not lopsided. Both parties will be asking themselves questions like "how do we hang on to our base and whittle off enough voters to get one or two more states."
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Re: And the winner is!
« Reply #24 on: Nov 3rd, 2004, 2:06pm » |
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One last post about all this stuff...
Frank our safety is in jeopardy, I don't see how we can be INVADED and OCCUPIED by the terrorists. Except maybe the ones who actually have nuclear weapons (Iran)(Pakistan)...
And who will be here to defend us should that happen? The back door draft has sent much of our National Guard overseas. Only since Desert Storm have National Guard troops been used so extensively overseas. They are supposed to be HERE.
OK, I'm done.
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