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Precisely why I think Senator Kerry should be in jail, rather than running for the presidency. I've been trying my best to stay out of politics, but after seeing this video, I am sick at heart to think that he may become Commander In Chief of our honorable soldiers, sailors, marines, and airmen:
http://www.stolenhonor.com/documentary/watch-video.asp
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Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version
« Reply #1 on: Nov 1st, 2004, 5:17pm » |
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You are going to open up a can of worms with the start of this thread, that I cant be present for... I'll see you guys after the election. Every time I hear the horrors of war my stomach gets ripped apart and I cannot eat. I cannot sleep. I went through it then with my brother. Im going through it now with my kids. Those things did happen if you dont know that well you are naive. Those things are happening now. Only now We are having our heads cut off. Its sad that we ever have to be at war.
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Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version
« Reply #2 on: Nov 1st, 2004, 5:19pm » |
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What a harrowing video. So much is owed by all of us to so few. The hardest part to accept is that soldiers who served there were vilified for doing so.. those lucky enough to come back. 
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Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version
« Reply #3 on: Nov 1st, 2004, 6:00pm » |
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Atrocities in war have been going on since the first war. To believe that everyone can live under the conditions of war without snapping is indeed very naive. Just like there are bad cops, there are bad soldiers. How many of us could live under those conditions day in and day out.... thank God most hold on to their humanity. John Kerry was not the only Vietnam vet who spoke out against the war and the atrocities. And how dare we minimize ANY OF THEIR personal sacrifices in going, because they chose to tell the truth. Has anyone heard of the organization Vets for Peace? Wise men indeed. They would know.
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Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version
« Reply #4 on: Nov 1st, 2004, 6:13pm » |
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Anyone that votes for this fucking scumbag deserves what they get!!
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Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version
« Reply #5 on: Nov 1st, 2004, 6:46pm » |
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on Nov 1st, 2004, 6:46pm, Pegase wrote:| ....a better world |
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Yeah.....in Canada.....not here!
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Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version
« Reply #7 on: Nov 1st, 2004, 6:59pm » |
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on Nov 1st, 2004, 6:00pm, nani wrote:
And how dare we minimize ANY OF THEIR personal sacrifices in going, because they chose to tell the truth. Has anyone heard of the organization Vets for Peace? Wise men indeed. They would know. |
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How do you know they were telling the "truth"? Of all the guys that went over, these so called "Wise Men" are about 1-2% of the total. Would you believe 1-2% of the people who said they cured CH? No, they get flamed big time. If Bush beats Kerry by 1-2%, you would call it a scham. Sheesh...
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Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version
« Reply #8 on: Nov 1st, 2004, 6:59pm » |
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Fantastic documentary! Long but well worth the time to watch! Thanks Frank! Anyone who can watch that and still vote for Kerry, is not anyone I wish to associate with.
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Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version
« Reply #9 on: Nov 1st, 2004, 6:59pm » |
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on Nov 1st, 2004, 6:46pm, Pegase wrote:| ....a better world |
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Don't you have some skates to sharpen? Oh, wait...the national cash crop of Canada is on lock out! 
All fun intended, but seriously...we have enough arguements about politics in this country without other countries who can't vote, getting involved.
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« Reply #10 on: Nov 1st, 2004, 7:05pm » |
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on Nov 1st, 2004, 6:59pm, Tom K wrote:
Don't you have some skates to sharpen? Oh, wait...the national cash crop of Canada is on lock out!
All fun intended, but seriously...we have enough arguements about politics in this country without other countries who can't vote, getting involved.
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dude, he's not voting- he's posting an opinion on a message board of his fellow clusterheads. And frankly, Canada are our friends right now- let's not be jerks to them. Thanks.
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BTW, our election matters very much to most of the world. That's what happens when you are the last super power, our countries fate effects the fate of everybody. I feel very fortunate to be able to vote and certain sense of responsibility to respectfully listen to the folks from other countries. Maybe I am nuts I don't know. Let me have it, I don't care.
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Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version
« Reply #11 on: Nov 1st, 2004, 7:15pm » |
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on Nov 1st, 2004, 7:05pm, john_d wrote:
dude, he's not voting- he's posting an opinion on a message board of his fellow clusterheads. And frankly, Canada are our friends right now- let's not be jerks to them. Thanks.
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BTW, our election matters very much to most of the world. That's what happens when you are the last super power, our countries fate effects the fate of everybody. I feel very fortunate to be able to vote and certain sense of responsibility to respectfully listen to the folks from other countries. Maybe I am nuts I don't know. Let me have it, I don't care.
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That's why it said..."All fun intended...." Pegase and I have had many political debates before on here...he knows where I stand, I know where he stands...If he is offended, then I will appologize. Unfortunately for me, most of the people on here stand on his side of the asile. Don't understand it, but respect it. When it is all said and done, this country(and Canadian posters  ) will still have to live and work together. How that is going to happen is way beyond me, because the hatred for the sitting President is so deeply engrained. Don't remember people actually hating Clinton, I didn't like him, but I still respected the office. Doesn't seem to be the case now, since there was a book or article or something called, "How to assinate Bush". There was no outcry from the Left to denounce this piece of crap, er, I mean work. Don't understand it. 
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Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version
« Reply #12 on: Nov 1st, 2004, 7:15pm » |
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Yes, a better world and country that might have a chance
to regain its lost honor.
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« Reply #13 on: Nov 1st, 2004, 7:19pm » |
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on Nov 1st, 2004, 7:15pm, Tom K wrote:
That's why it said..."All fun intended...." Pegase and I have had many political debates before on here...he knows where I stand, I know where he stands...If he is offended, then I will appologize. Unfortunately for me, most of the people on here stand on his side of the asile. Don't understand it, but respect it. When it is all said and done, this country(and Canadian posters ) will still have to live and work together. How that is going to happen is way beyond me, because the hatered for the sitting President is so deeply engrained. Don't remember people actually hating Clinton, I didn't like him, but I still respected the office. Doesn't seem to be the case now, since there was a book or article or something called, "How to assinate Bush". There was no outcry from the Left to denounce this piece of crap, er, I mean work. Don't understand it.
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Gotcha, it was a knee-jerk reaction on my part.
Well, I am on your side of the aisle actually, though I don't like talking politics. But I will be voting and crossing my fingers tomorrow.
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on Nov 1st, 2004, 7:15pm, ivanov wrote:
What fucking world are you living in?
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on Nov 1st, 2004, 7:15pm, ivanov wrote:Yes, a better world and country that might have a chance
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WTF!!!! This is why I avoid these threads...someone has to start actually bad-mouthing our country. Lost our honor? We have not lost our honor.
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Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version
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That's an important point - and I want it to stay that way.
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Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version
« Reply #17 on: Nov 1st, 2004, 7:36pm » |
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Who can say this is true or not? I believe that those terrible things probably DID happen.
I dont like either canidate but come on you cant say George Bush is any better or worse than John Kerry. Like it or not one of them is gonna be our Presidentfor the next four years. So Shut up, pick your poison. If you dont vote then dont BITCH!
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Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version
« Reply #18 on: Nov 1st, 2004, 7:37pm » |
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Quote:How do you know they were telling the "truth"? Of all the guys that went over, these so called "Wise Men" are about 1-2% of the total. Would you believe 1-2% of the people who said they cured CH? No, they get flamed big time. If Bush beats Kerry by 1-2%, you would call it a scham. Sheesh...
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Tom - have you fought in a war? If you have-then I will give you all due credit. BTW- I did not say anything about the election or Kerry the candidate. I referred to Vietnam vets who came back and renounced the war and it's atrocities. I believe there is also a group of Iraq war vets doing the same thing right now. War is hell, bro. Whether you vote for Bush or Kerry.
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Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version
« Reply #19 on: Nov 1st, 2004, 7:37pm » |
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I knew I would had a bash for that little comment... but you know I love to live dangerously... It was a small one though.... pheew Dont forget I was posting back to jonny too... pheeew again
I also knew my friend Tom would answer me back... In fact I was waiting for it... A spank a day keeps the doctor away 
I know this election is really hard for all of you and I only hope it will go better in USA... The only thing I know is that the decision you're gonna take tomorrow will also have impact on my life and the rest of the World...
I wish you all good luck....
Hey Tom maybe I could teach you how to skate and play with a puck And Tom... ditto what you said: "Don't understand it, but respect it."... sincerly.
Thanks John
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Pegase, nice having you around.
Jeep- that was a great movie, thanks for posting it.
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Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version
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And there were thousands of them. And they were all correct in doing so.
At least Kerry was trying to stop that fuckin' mess. What were the "official" negotiators doing? For 3 days Kissinger cried and whined because the table was oval shaped and he wanted a rectangular table so he could sit at the head. During those 3 days of stalling, over 1000 American soldiers, sailors and marines died.
George Bush escaped the draft to avoid Vietnam service. Instead he went AWOL from The Texas National Guard. Someone else had to fill the spot that Bush ran from. Maybe if Bush had done his honorable duty there would be one different name on The Wall.
Since the spin on Kerry and Stolen Honor website was put up here, just to be fair, how about the website for Michael Moore's documentary?
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« Reply #22 on: Nov 1st, 2004, 8:26pm » |
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Hi Bob!
No matter what side you're on, to be really fair, Moore's piece can't be called a documentary. (Not that most of the political video’s are either)
I firmly believe in healthy discussion and even level headed arguments, but Moore’s purpose is strictly self serving - to promote himself.
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Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version
« Reply #23 on: Nov 1st, 2004, 8:28pm » |
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on Nov 1st, 2004, 8:12pm, BobG wrote:, how about the website for Michael Moore's documentary?
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I think you just summed up the Moore spin.
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Re: Stolen Honor - Broadband Version
« Reply #24 on: Nov 1st, 2004, 8:34pm » |
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Tom - have you fought in a war? If you have-then I will give you all due credit. BTW- I did not say anything about the election or Kerry the candidate. I referred to Vietnam vets who came back and renounced the war and it's atrocities. I believe there is also a group of Iraq war vets doing the same thing right now. War is hell, bro. Whether you vote for Bush or Kerry. |
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I wasn't over there, too young. I didn't get in the service, having a CH in the recruiting office may have had something to do with it. My father was in Nam, as well as my uncle and a cousin. My cousin didn't return. Had a nephew in DS, came back just fine. Have a neice in Iraq. Funny, all the crap being said about how the troops are being treated, is pretty much bullshit. While my father was in Nam, 2 tours, he didn't see any of the crap Kerry or the other "Vets for Peace, talked about. Since he was at the front for most of his tours, I kinda take that over what others say.
Go back and reread what I said about Kerry and Bush. It wasn't about the election other than the fact that if it was decided by 1-2% there would be an outcry. 1-2% of anything isn't a lot. Not enough to judge a whole war on. That was my point!
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