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Speaking of voting, Ralph Nader hardly
« on: Oct 12th, 2004, 9:23am » |
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ever comes up in the conversations.
Of the other two, one lies (more than they usually do), and the other is so simple minded that he can't see what's going on.
So seriously, Why wouldn't YOU vote for Nader?
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Re: Speaking of voting, Ralph Nader hardly
« Reply #1 on: Oct 12th, 2004, 9:30am » |
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on Oct 12th, 2004, 9:23am, Donna_H wrote:| Why wouldn't YOU vote for Nader? |
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Re: Speaking of voting, Ralph Nader hardly
« Reply #2 on: Oct 12th, 2004, 9:49am » |
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OK, one "minus". Any pluses?
I really need some answers. A "friend" of mine doesn't think there's anyone to vote for this time.
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Re: Speaking of voting, Ralph Nader hardly
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on Oct 12th, 2004, 9:49am, Donna_H wrote:OK, one "minus". Any pluses?
I really need some answers. A "friend" of mine doesn't think there's anyone to vote for this time. |
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You could have your friend write my name in.  OOps I'm not old enough yet.  There is always some one to vote for, it is just usually not one of the two guys on the ballot.
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Re: Speaking of voting, Ralph Nader hardly
« Reply #4 on: Oct 12th, 2004, 10:18am » |
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I agree that our two primary CHoices are lame at best....
"Why wouldn't YOU vote for Nader? "
Peter Miguel Camejo
Winona LaDuke
His veep CHoices.....
or...
http://www.realchange.org/nader.htm
here's a good one:
Pat BuCHanan and Ralph Nader going at it...
http://www.amconmag.com/2004_06_21/cover.html
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Re: Speaking of voting, Ralph Nader hardly
« Reply #5 on: Oct 12th, 2004, 10:21am » |
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on Oct 12th, 2004, 9:23am, Donna_H wrote:| So seriously, Why wouldn't YOU vote for Nader? |
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Because I think socialism is a really bad idea.
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Re: Speaking of voting, Ralph Nader hardly
« Reply #6 on: Oct 12th, 2004, 10:31am » |
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on Oct 12th, 2004, 10:21am, Hirvimaki wrote:
Because I think socialism is a really bad idea.
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Ding. +1.
Nader is a socialist / attention wh0re.
Why vote for Nader when one can vote for the Libertarian candidate? Or write in 'Colin Powell'?
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Re: Speaking of voting, Ralph Nader hardly
« Reply #7 on: Oct 12th, 2004, 10:32am » |
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on Oct 12th, 2004, 10:21am, Hirvimaki wrote:
Because I think socialism is a really bad idea.
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I dont really know Nader but how can you say that socialism is a bad idea... We need more of that in this more and more global world... In fact, just add a little bit of socialism to capitalism and the world would be greater 
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Re: Speaking of voting, Ralph Nader hardly
« Reply #8 on: Oct 12th, 2004, 10:39am » |
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on Oct 12th, 2004, 10:32am, Pegase wrote:
I dont really know Nader but how can you say that socialism is a bad idea... We need more of that in this more and more global world... In fact, just add a little bit of socialism to capitalism and the world would be greater
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Re: Speaking of voting, Ralph Nader hardly
« Reply #9 on: Oct 12th, 2004, 10:48am » |
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on Oct 12th, 2004, 10:39am, Woobie wrote:
...because socialism exist to bring back the balance and fix social inequalities... Globalisation increases those inequalities... sad, unstopable but true
Always IMHO
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Re: Speaking of voting, Ralph Nader hardly
« Reply #10 on: Oct 12th, 2004, 10:55am » |
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Capitalism is great, but it doesn't work for all things.
Historically, America has left a few items out of the Capitalist equation. Like Utilities.... and cable TV. 
We've all seen the down side to Medicine and Capitalism. Capitalism is keeping SOME medicine out of the hands of many who need it. Pharmaceutical companies CHeat and bribe public officials (ok call it lobbying). Viagra makes more money than curing CF ever will so where will the researCH dollars go? Maybe it'll take a hybrid type of government to get it all right.
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Re: Speaking of voting, Ralph Nader hardly
« Reply #11 on: Oct 12th, 2004, 11:05am » |
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I would never vote for Nader, for several reasons:
1. His campaigns seem to be more of an ego-trip than an actual desire to make things better.
2. He has no real foreign policy experience.
3. He seems to jump to whatever party will endorse him, regardless of ideology.
4. I just don't like the man.
Good enough reasons for me...
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Re: Speaking of voting, Ralph Nader hardly
« Reply #12 on: Oct 12th, 2004, 11:12am » |
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If there were a Personal, Individual Responsibility party, and their platform consisted of Mayberry's law* I would vote for them in a heartbeat.
* "Do all that you have agreed to do without encroaching on others or their property."
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on Oct 12th, 2004, 10:55am, vig wrote:| Maybe it'll take a hybrid type of government to get it all right. |
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Or maybe we should just go back to what the founding fathers intended and make people accept a little responsibility for their own self. I'm fucking sick and tired of paying for everyone else's shit.
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Re: Speaking of voting, Ralph Nader hardly
« Reply #14 on: Oct 12th, 2004, 11:21am » |
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"paying for everyone else's shit."
Me too, but...
You already do. It's called insurance. Health Insurance, Car Insurance, Life Insurance.... What is FEMA?
Because even if you're completely responsible and I KNOW Thomas is... There's still a CHance of a catastrophic event and he'd appreciate our help.
I don't like it either, but it appears to me it's still partly necessary.
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Re: Speaking of voting, Ralph Nader hardly
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on Oct 12th, 2004, 11:13am, thomas wrote:
Or maybe we should just go back to what the founding fathers intended and make people accept a little responsibility for their own self. I'm fucking sick and tired of paying for everyone else's shit. |
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Amen brother!
And while we're at it, let's remember that it was never the intent of the founding fathers to enforce majority rule in all things. Checks and balances were built into our system to protect citizens from the "tyranny of the majority."
If it weren't for so-called "activist judges" interpreting the Constitution in this manner, slavery may still be happening, interracial marriage would still be banned in most places, and minority populations would be severely underserved under our laws.
But yeah, I'm a BIG proponent of personal responsibility, as well as personal freedom.
And while we're at it, how about parental responsibility? It's funny, we need a license to drive a car, but anyone who can accomplish the mechanics involved can bring a kid into the world. And too many of them expect our schools and other public institutions to take over the responsibility for raising them.
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Re: Speaking of voting, Ralph Nader hardly
« Reply #16 on: Oct 12th, 2004, 11:23am » |
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Hey I've always loved Ralph Nader, but he's a consumer advocate and (sadly) in order to get anything accomplished in D.C. you gotta be one of THEM. But I wouldn't vote for Nader now because a vote for him would be a vote for Dubya. 
Just my  , socialism, capitalism, whatever ism - it's all corrupted by humankind's two biggest downfalls; Greed for money and Greed for power. I personally have all the right ideas and systems to fix this country - but I won't run - my past is way too shady and I wouldn't want it pasted all over the media
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on Oct 12th, 2004, 11:23am, PittsburghJoe wrote:
If it weren't for so-called "activist judges" interpreting the Constitution
I think there should be no "interpreting" of the constitution, it is not a living breathing document, it is the set of rules by which our government is suppose to adhere, they have not done this in many years, it is time to hold them accoutable.
But yeah, I'm a BIG proponent of personal responsibility, as well as personal freedom.
Me too, brother!
And while we're at it, how about parental responsibility? It's funny, we need a license to drive a car, but anyone who can accomplish the mechanics involved can bring a kid into the world. And too many of them expect our schools and other public institutions to take over the responsibility for raising them.
I agree 100% with the above, I don't have chilren, because I can't afford them. And I don't expect the tax payers to pay for said children.
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Re: Speaking of voting, Ralph Nader hardly
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I love the "activist judges" story. It's all Pat Robertson & Co. yell about and they will not stop until theiur activist are on the court. Hilarious coming from them.
The Consitution was was designed by products of the age of enlightenment and these guys debated just how long the thing would be effective. Some said the 1820s....damn thing has done pretty well.
Since the Civil War, and especially the 1930s, the U. S. has had what is called "creeping socialism." It's worked well for 70 years to prevent economic collapse and ever so slightly, give the little guy a break. The glory days of the Robber Barons made life pretty sparse for most people. The percentage of illiteracy, malnurishment, and preventable illness was shameful. Creeping socialism is a good thing and you and I have benefitted greatly from it. Drug companies won't make vaccines without a push because there is no money it. If any country needs universal health care it's us. It's all we worry about.
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Re: Speaking of voting, Ralph Nader hardly
« Reply #19 on: Oct 12th, 2004, 2:45pm » |
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on Oct 12th, 2004, 9:23am, Donna_H wrote:| Why wouldn't YOU vote for Nader? |
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Cuz I'm not a pot head....
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Life isn't fair, it's not about being fair, get over it. With that mentality, I'm glad you can't vote in our elections. Socialism doesn't work, look at France, hell look at your medical system. I work for a living and I'm not standing in line for anything. I don't need the government telling me how to live my life, what health care plan I need or anything. It really floors me that people think Kerry has his $hit together. Listen to him more than 3 mintues and he contridicts himself 20 times. And don't give me that crap about Bush being an idiot. The media plays up what it wants to. No one says anything about Clinton and Bore walking into Monticello and asking, "Who are these guys?" Pointing to the statues of Jefferson, Washington and Franklin. Sheesh...I wasn't going to get on the soapbox.....
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Re: Speaking of voting, Ralph Nader hardly
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on Oct 12th, 2004, 2:45pm, Tom K wrote:
Life isn't fair, it's not about being fair, get over it. With that mentality, I'm glad you can't vote in our elections. Socialism doesn't work, look at France, hell look at your medical system. I work for a living and I'm not standing in line for anything. I don't need the government telling me how to live my life, what health care plan I need or anything. It really floors me that people think Kerry has his $hit together. Listen to him more than 3 mintues and he contridicts himself 20 times. And don't give me that crap about Bush being an idiot. The media plays up what it wants to. No one says anything about Clinton and Bore walking into Monticello and asking, "Who are these guys?" Pointing to the statues of Jefferson, Washington and Franklin. Sheesh...I wasn't going to get on the soapbox.....
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Way to do Dude... The world need more people like you... nice minding... Wow I'm impressed
BTW I did not said socialism was working... I just said: add a bit of socialism to capitalism... That's all... Read well... Think twice
IMHO of course
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Re: Speaking of voting, Ralph Nader hardly
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If the world had more people with my attitude, we wouldn't have so many people on welfare. I busted my ass to get where I'm at and I don't appricate the government trying to take it from me. ESPECIALLY, people who can work, sitting on their ass thinking that something is OWED to them. Go get a F'king job, most people have them. Nobody handed me anything, I don't expect it, don't want it and wouldn't take it. PERSONAL RESPONSIBLITY. That is what the world needs more of, not socialism.
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on Oct 12th, 2004, 3:20pm, Tom K wrote: PERSONAL RESPONSIBLITY. That is what the world needs more of, not socialism.
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Yeah, but then our politicians wouldn't have anything to offer any one........... then they would have to get real jobs, because government would be much smaller. Do you want to work with John Kerry or George Bush?
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Re: Speaking of voting, Ralph Nader hardly
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Actually, I would like to work with Bush. You know that he would carry out the tasks you gave him and wouldn't give you 20 different answers to a question. Working with a large crew to make a kitchen run smoothly, you need the correct answer, when you need it and you don't need someone who changes the answer everytime you ask a question.
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I checked out Naders website and where he stands on the issues and his and my ideals do not seem to mesh very much. Therefore, I will not be voting for him. If they had, then I would be...
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