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Correction Please?(political not CH)
« on: Oct 7th, 2004, 9:08pm » |
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With Pres. Bush visiting the fair city of Wausau WI today and half of the town shut down not to mention both north and south bound interstate hwy 39 for 4 hours, I come home to find this in my email from my favorite former Dept. Sherriff who is retired and living in Florida now with little else to do in the aftermath of the hurricaines but to research the Presidential candidates claims. I loved this one.
Before you jump to conclusions read this. and have a great day!
Have you seen the John Kerry commercial in which George Bush pledges
to help Seniors on Medicare and "the very next day imposes a 17%
premium increase - the biggest in history"? That ad is a
stoke of genius on Kerry's part and will surely gain him many votes
among the uninformed.
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I found it so amazing that I did some homework on the issue. As
it turns out the 17% increase was not imposed by President Bush but
was mandated by the "balanced budget agreement" signed
by President Clinton, voted into law by Senator John Kerry, and was
scheduled to come into effect during the Bush
administration. President Bush had no
authority to reverse what had been voted into law by Senator Kerry
during the Clinton administration.
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Once again Kerry is counting on the ignorance of
the American people. Don't be duped by his mendacity.
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Re: Correction Please?(political not CH)
« Reply #1 on: Oct 7th, 2004, 9:18pm » |
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Redd, thanks adding some more fuel to the fire in my belly and the another reason to VOTE!!!!!
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Re: Correction Please?(political not CH)
« Reply #2 on: Oct 7th, 2004, 11:08pm » |
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If you go to the website that Cheney meant to mention (www.factcheck.org not www.factcheck.com) you'll find both candidates are mischaracterizing each others policies. If you are morally pure and won't vote for a candidate because they are a liar, you can't vote Democrat or Republican.
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Cheney & Edwards Mangle Facts
10.06.2004
Getting it wrong about combat pay, Halliburton, and FactCheck.org
Bush Mischaracterizes Kerry's Health Plan
10.04.2004
Bush claims Kerry's plan puts "bureaucrats in control" of medical decisons, "not you, not your doctor." But experts don't agree with that.
Distortions and Misstatements At First Presidential Debate
10.01.2004
Bush and Kerry both have problems with the facts at their meeting in Coral Gables
Kerry Ad Falsely Accuses Cheney on Halliburton
09.30.2004
Contrary to this ad's message, Cheney doesn't gain financially from the contracts given to the company he once headed.
The "Willie Horton" Ad Of 2004?
09.28.2004
Republican group's ad shows Osama, Kerry. It appeals to fear, and twists Kerry's record on defense, intelligence, Iraq.
Bush Ad Twists Kerry's Words on Iraq
09.27.2004
Selective use of Kerry's own words makes him look inconsistent on Iraq. A closer look gives a different picture.
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What is indisputable is that Bush won't allow imports of prescriptions from Canada or Europe. One of his appointees justified it by saying that Al Qaeda might try to poison us that way! Bush also prohibited Medicare from bargaining for the best drug prices. Maybe the 17% increase was mandated by a formula, but Bush doesn't want to control the cost if it means lower corporate profit.
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So if we import drugs from Canada, don't American pharmacists loose their jobs.............. Come on now, you can't have it both ways, neither can the right. There is no common sense and dignity left in this country, it has slowly been washed away.
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Well if they lowererd drug prices in the United States, then we wouldn't have to import drugs from Canada in the first place!
As I understand it, this is by control of the drug companies, the government (who the drug companies lobby so that they will decide things THEIR way), and the individual pharmacies themselves.
I know when I got screwed into paying Eckerd Drugs $454 for 18 tabs of Amerge, that was more than the unit price of Amerge as listed by GSK. Sooooooooooo the problem is multifaceted.
If only health care could have at least some semblance of sanity anymore... Hardly worth trying to live to 100...won't be able to afford it!
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All I'm saying, Carrie is that drug importation from Canada falls under "free trade", and if you are for it, then you have to be for all of it, and if you are against it, you are against all of it, you can't have your cake and eat it too. Why is it acceptable for one group to benifit from free-trade while another is denied the same oppurtunity, just because they have a different need. It is a question of intellectual honesty, which quite frankly not too many people who vote republican or democrat have any idea of what that term means. Much less try to put it into practice.
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« Reply #6 on: Oct 7th, 2004, 11:56pm » |
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Everybody ought to listen to this....
http://www.radiogypsies.com/Kerry_Hi.htm
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Re: Correction Please?(political not CH)
« Reply #7 on: Oct 8th, 2004, 12:04am » |
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I'm not one to vote strict democrat or republican. I still have yet no idea of who I will vote for in November, although all of the professional leagues I am in support Kerry.
However, the reason I am a registered democrat is because of the things I believe strongly about. It seems that although neither party would fit exactly, I tend to fit more democrat. I am for MAJOR health care reform. I don't think socialized health care is the answer, but honestly it is in many ways better than private health care in the US. I've never seen such a "rich and powerful" country with so many people without health care coverage. It makes me very sad when I take care of patients who can't afford to buy an antibiotic and so then they have to have a toe amputated. That stuff just ain't right!
Health care is biggest on my mind right now just because I work in it and I rely on it so much! Education is another big focus of mine. My mom works in an elementary school, and I had started off in music education at Penn State. After learning what Governor Ridge did to music education in PA, I wasn't too enthusiatic about the republican education plan!
There are some other issues, but those are the main ones I'm thinking about right now. I won't vote a strict party line. I will vote for whoever ultimately seems to fit the same values I have. It's not really either Bush or Kerry, but I will pick one of them on election day!
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Not sure what you mean about the whole deal....free trade? In any event, this is often life and death and almost always quality of life. I'm for universal care. It will come but it would be nice while we boomers can get some benefit.
Seems to me that health care would have been a winner for Kerry on the Clinton model only this time instead of "It's the economy stupid," Kerry could do the same with: "It's health care stupid."
Bush: Zero chance for decent drug policy.
Kerry: Slight chance but at least he won't make it worse.
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« Reply #9 on: Oct 8th, 2004, 6:57am » |
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on Oct 7th, 2004, 11:45pm, thomas wrote:| All I'm saying, Carrie is that drug importation from Canada falls under "free trade", and if you are for it, then you have to be for all of it, and if you are against it, you are against all of it, you can't have your cake and eat it too. |
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All I'm saying Thomas is that either Bush wants to protect us from Al Qaeda or he doesn't. He allows the import of billions of pounds of fruits and veggies from Chile, Guatamela, and other third world countries with no problems, but then he won't allow prescriptions from Canada because Al Qaeda might take advantage of the situation! Scare the people and use the war against terror to maintain the profit margin of the most profitable industry. That's beyond having it both ways, and should make anyone with a conscience sick.
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« Reply #10 on: Oct 8th, 2004, 7:29am » |
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This is not something that Bush allows or disallows. People think the president is responsible for the common cold. The Food And Drug Administration has this policy. The policy must be changed by congress.
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on Oct 8th, 2004, 6:57am, floridian wrote:
That's beyond having it both ways, and should make anyone with a conscience sick.
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Uhhhh I've been sick of politicians for a long time....... Perhaps I didn't do a good enough job of illustrating my point, so I will try again. I drive a Toyota.....ok...... It was made in Japan. It is a better car than anything made here. I bought it, because I liked it and I knew it would be cheaper to own in the long run (low maintenance costs). Ok, now there a whole bunch of idiots out there telling me that I am making American people loose their jobs, because I didn't buy American. Now, if I buy my drugs from Canada, that same bunch should be telling me that I am a horrible person, putting Americans out of work. But it's not happening. The right is all for free trade - except for the Canadian drug thing. That is wrong. The left is against free trade, except for the Canadian drug thing. That too is wrong. I am just asking for people to start using common sense, which I guess in hindsight is asking way too much.
Edit: And as far as I'm concerned both Bush and Kerry would make wonderful pinatas. They are both professional liars. Why any one would support and professional politician is way beyond me.
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on Oct 8th, 2004, 7:29am, RevDeFord wrote:| This is not something that Bush allows or disallows. People think the president is responsible for the common cold. The Food And Drug Administration has this policy. The policy must be changed by congress. |
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You are absolutely wrong, DeFord. Congress has authorized the import of prescriptions TWICE, and the FDA (which is supposed to implement the directive into regulation) has chosen not to. The high level policies at the FDA are set by political appointees. But this is a war against terror, and they know things we dont - like why Al Qaeda won't try to contaminate the billions of pounds of food that come into the US each year, but would kill us all if prescriptions were allowed to come from Niagra to Buffalo.
Quote:"Importation laws have passed in Congress twice, and two secretaries of Health and Human Services -- including Secretary Thompson -- have said importation cannot be done without compromising patient safety and public health," said Court Rosen, a spokesman for the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers Association.
http://www.klkntv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1847873
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Thomas - you are generalizing too much. Clinton was in favor of GATT, NAFTA, and other "free trade" agreements. Bush was against steel tarifs, until he thought he could pick up swing voters in Pennsylvania, so he put up barriers to steel. Then the WTO threatened to slap the US, so Bush removed the tarrifs, but told the people of PA that he is still for em.
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on Oct 7th, 2004, 9:08pm, Redd715 wrote: Don't be duped by his mendacity.
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Had to look that one up...It's a good day when you learn something new.
Mendacity: Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -ties
1 : the quality or state of being mendacious
2 : LIE
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on Oct 8th, 2004, 9:04am, floridian wrote:
Thomas - you are generalizing too much. Clinton was in favor of GATT, NAFTA, and other "free trade" agreements. Bush was against steel tarifs, until he thought he could pick up swing voters in Pennsylvania, so he put up barriers to steel. Then the WTO threatened to slap the US, so Bush removed the tarrifs, but told the people of PA that he is still for em. |
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You are still missing the point.......... I'm done trying to explain it. Black is black, white is white, something is either true of false. We need a Bastille Day here.
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Ok - the "Bastille Day" comment got your point across. I would say that I am cynical but see a limited opportunity to shift the general direction of things. I'm not a big fan of the French Revolution style.
And for the record, my Toyota was made in Canada, although they make em in California and sell em as Pontiacs. That should make free-traders and protectionists equally happy.
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on Oct 8th, 2004, 8:50am, thomas wrote:| And as far as I'm concerned both Bush and Kerry would make wonderful pinatas. They are both professional liars. Why any one would support and professional politician is way beyond me. |
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Ding. Exactly.
Starting a political thread on this board means that you wish for 50% of your friends here to think of you as an idiot. Well done.
If you can tell me why one candidate is clearly great and why the other candidate clearly sucks, consider yourself a fucktard.
Why oh why can he not run...
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on Oct 8th, 2004, 11:44am, Rock_Lobster wrote:
Starting a political thread on this board means that you wish for 50% of your friends here to think of you as an idiot. Well done.
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I started this tread to point out that mud slinging and spin doctoring is alive and rampant, not to mention outright lies from BOTH camps.
I'm as non-political as they come. But you have to understand that less than 12% of the human population have the abstract thinking abilities above a 16 year old. People are gonna buy into this shit. It's sad. Just sad.
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on Oct 8th, 2004, 11:55am, Redd715 wrote:
I'm as non-political as they come. But you have to understand that less than 12% of the human population have the abstract thinking abilities above a 16 year old. People are gonna buy into this shit. It's sad. Just sad. |
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Yes very sad and the quality of our education continues to worsen, children are not taught to think for themselves and problem solve, every one is being taken care of by big brother in one fashion or another. They do this to ensure their reign of power and deception. How much intelligence do you see when you look into a cow's eyes?
Edit: Where is the box for none of the above on my ballot?
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on Oct 8th, 2004, 12:56pm, thomas wrote:
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It's called the write in!
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on Oct 8th, 2004, 1:12pm, Lizzie2 wrote:
It's called the write in!
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Free trade? Not on my shit list. Give it a shot.
I love Canadian drug scares. It must be hell scraping dead Canadians from Toronto streets every morning. Of course most of these drugs are made here or by the other big drug companies and imported to Canada. Evidently they become toxic when sent back across the Niagara River.  Our FDA pinheads, who work to ban Trojans from foreign aid and block the so-called "morning after" pill is our faithful watchdog.
They also don't mention that of the top 10 drug companies, five are European—Glaxo-Smith-Kline, Astra-Zeneca, Aventis, Novartis and Roche—based in countries that regulate prices. All of them price their drugs much higher in the United States because they can get away with it here. 
You think Congress should be in charge, Rev? The other day tens of millions were tacked on to a Chinese ceiling fan exporter and the same to Starbucks....I kid you not. There is more but I need help identifying this bill folks.....
Time for another march on Washington 
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This it, Charlie?
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Tax Breaks For Luxembourg And Cleveland
NEW YORK - It all started with a $5 billion annual tax break to American exporters.
The World Trade Organization ruled the break was a subsidy and therefore illegal, so it allowed Europeans to stick the U.S. with retaliatory tariffs. The situation needed fixing. But then the fixing needed fixing and the result was a corporate tax bill priced at something like $140 billion.
If the bill does not pass, a lot of folks could get hurt, as apparently the bill contains much relief for buyers of Chinese ceiling fans in general and Home Depot (nyse:HD) in particular, dog tracks, horse tracks and NASCAR tracks, not to mention Hollywood movie studios and Alaska oil pipelines.
http://www.forbes.com/business/manufacturing/2004/10/08/cx_da_1008topnew s.html
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Again, for me it comes down to the most far-reaching thing: The makeup of the Supreme Court.
I'd rather err on the side of "too much" freedom at home, than an attempt to turn this country into a theocracy.
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I don't understand this one at all. We have the National Health Service here which I think is the best thing going and basically we pay a set price per prescription regardless of what we get. I pay the same for a loaf of GF bread as I do for steroids and painkillers. We also have the option of buying a "season ticket" where we pay about £90 per year and that covers every prescription we have so for someone like me who has coeliac disease, osteomalacia and now sodding cluster headaches its a Godsend. For people with some conditions such as diabetes all prescriptions are free regardless as are they for kids under 16, those on low incomes and OAP's. I understand you pay for health insurance either yourselves or as a employment benefit so surely it would be in your best interests if your drugs were bought from the cheapest possible source even if that was Canada or the UK for instance. Astronomical drug costs are surely only inflating everyone's insurance premiums unneccessarily. Sounds like its time for a petition, Get everyone you know to sign and take it to your local politicians and demand they petition Congress or the Senate ( sorry I get confused!!) to force the FDA to submit to public pressure. Its supposed to be "We the people FOR the people" after all isn't it?! This shouldn't be about any particular political party issue, it should be a common sense issue.
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