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Donna
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The world is full of problems.....
« on: Oct 2nd, 2004, 1:00pm » |
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and I feel bad bout the experience we were all exposed to over the last few days in regard to a newbie asking for help while clearly under the influence of alcohol.
We all know about clusterheadaches and alcohol, but when a newbie comes on board, what good does it do to insult them? Is it possible to insult someone who's under the influence? Will they even remember it? How long has this guy had ch? Does he even know yet what role alcohol plays? We surely did a shitty job of geting it acrossed to him.
We are here to help people. If, after several conversations, we find that they are beyond our help, we can then tell them that they do not belong here.
Clearly this person has a problem We don't know for sure if he ever suffered from ch. But, where has that old fashioned compassion gone that used to live here?
In the earlier years we had a lot of desire to help anyone who mentioned ch. We helped them diagnose, we shared our advice. Sure, once in awhile we (certain of us) pounced on a couple of obvious fakes, but come on folks, this guy did not deserve what he got.
This board IS changing. Any one agree?
Yes, this board is for the social side of Clusterville, especially since it has been devided into catogories. But since when did we become so rude to a fellow clusterhead who wasn't really that out of line?
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Re: The world is full of problems.....
« Reply #1 on: Oct 2nd, 2004, 1:36pm » |
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Donna FWIW, people did offer advice and people were patient. If, after the fourth or fifth time of offering sound advice, the person soliciting advice won't heed it, then the people trying to help are the ones left feeling insulted. The blade cuts both ways, Dear.  (And no, the board isn't changing. It's all just human nature at work.) Chin up! 
I hope Davebrick chooses to stick around, but if not, that's up to him. It seems to me that he came in with a chip on his shoulder, and there's nothing anyone but Davebrick can do about that.
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Re: The world is full of problems.....
« Reply #2 on: Oct 2nd, 2004, 1:51pm » |
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well Frank
I have not experienced the result of alcohol with a ch before.
sorry for not being up to speed on ch but I am trying.
I am not a loser, I am an analyst at the hospital.
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Re: The world is full of problems.....
« Reply #3 on: Oct 2nd, 2004, 1:51pm » |
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davebrick came here on Sept 3 asking questions and was happy to receive advice on meds and 02.
Same on Sept 4 and again on the 8th.
Now he's pissed when he's advised to not drink during a cycle.
Go figure.
No the board isn't changing. It has it's up and down days, argue and huggy-kissy-face days but it is pretty much even all the time.
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« Reply #4 on: Oct 2nd, 2004, 1:55pm » |
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Dave, I never said, implied, or thought that you were a loser in any way, shape, or form. Please do not put words in my mouth, friend.
Please do stick around, though.
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I am glad that you have taken minutes for the time that I have spent here. And I have really enjoyed the conversations and information that I have gathered from this site.
And you very nice people but I do not remember anyone saying a statement to me as I quote
"he's advised to not drink during a cycle. "
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Re: The world is full of problems.....
« Reply #6 on: Oct 2nd, 2004, 2:21pm » |
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Hmmm....
You asked
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To which you answered
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I got problems of my own......
« Reply #7 on: Oct 2nd, 2004, 2:40pm » |
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on Oct 2nd, 2004, 2:05pm, davebrick wrote:| "he's advised to not drink during a cycle. " |
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http://www.clusterheadaches.com/about.html#Precipitating%20Factors
You kinda missed a little required reading there, Davey. Matter of fact, so have a LOT of peeps that dive into this message board. Maybe a "test" should be required before posting..........
This place is a resource facility, not a pity factory.
It should be used as such,
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Re: The world is full of problems.....
« Reply #8 on: Oct 2nd, 2004, 2:52pm » |
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BobG
I already admitted to having a few drinks so .........
for you to quote me when I was out drinking and danceing ??????
Gee so I was not in my exact frame of mind. Is that your point ????
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Re: The world is full of problems.....
« Reply #9 on: Oct 2nd, 2004, 2:54pm » |
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Donna, don't know if the board is changing. It is growing that's for sure........and i guess that means more of - well just MORE.
Mr. Happy, you are wrong. If all that was needed was a "reference source" this place would be EMPTY. Your post is presumptuous and incorrect -- AND -- as the first page of this website explains - not created for you to dictate it's purpose. Perhaps you need to freshen up your own reading skills.
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Re: The world is full of problems.....
« Reply #10 on: Oct 2nd, 2004, 2:59pm » |
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No Bob's point was that you said that you don't remember anyone advising you not to drink while in cycle. Bob was just pointing out a couple of places where they did. There are others as well.
You have already posted 36 posts and still want to argue. I am beginning to think that you just want to argue. If that is so, and you don't want to tap into the knowledge that this site can bring to help you in your cycle, than please go somewhere else. Jayne asked you some important questions to find out if we can help. Please read to the left and then come back if we can help. All chips on the shoulder, please leave at the door. 
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« Reply #11 on: Oct 2nd, 2004, 3:13pm » |
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It is the "chip" that often tips the scale. I'd be last in line to see it go. It makes us who we are and is part of the equation.
Picture a clusterhead with no "chip". I'll show you a person with no clusters.
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Re: The world is full of problems.....
« Reply #12 on: Oct 2nd, 2004, 3:23pm » |
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Donna said, "I feel bad bout the experience we were all exposed to over the last few days in regard to a newbie asking for help while clearly under the influence of alcohol."
Where were you Donna? Last few days? This all started a little before 6:00AM this morning!
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"Does he even know yet what role alcohol plays? We surely did a shitty job of geting it acrossed to him."
I don't know how I could have put it to him more bluntly.
If I did such a shitty job of getting it across to him, please tell me how you would have done it.
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"Yes, this board is for the social side of Clusterville, especially since it has been devided into catogories. But since when did we become so rude to a fellow clusterhead who wasn't really that out of line?"
You started this string Donna. Did you even read davebrick's original string, "so much pain right now" posted at 5:34AM today? Originally, I was the ONLY ONE responding to his pleas for help. I didn't go into any long-winded explanations on alcohol and CH. It sounded like he was hurting and I was just doing the best I could to help the guy. As inept as I may have been, I certainly don't think I was rude. If anyone's out of line Donna, it's you!
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on Oct 2nd, 2004, 2:59pm, Jimi wrote:| You have already posted 36 posts and still want to argue. I am beginning to think that you just want to argue. |
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Did someone call?
Lets rock-n-roll 
Balls in your court, Dave 
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on Oct 2nd, 2004, 3:24pm, Jonny wrote:
Did someone call?
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No, the ball's in Donna H's court!
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Re: The world is full of problems.....
« Reply #15 on: Oct 2nd, 2004, 4:36pm » |
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I think I got molested when I was out drinking last night...
I must remember to thank my friends for taking this picture in my moment of weakness...
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Re: The world is full of problems.....
« Reply #16 on: Oct 2nd, 2004, 4:41pm » |
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I say bounce that ball ..........give it a reZOUNding blop.
I'd like to tawk awhile with ya all who claim to know what folks are rerferrin to...
I still remember how it came to be that i found this place that holds my skull and its inhabitants together in a restive place. Spend some days looking back. It meant something then and it offers a lesson now. Don't skim from the top.
Find out somehowL.
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No problem here.......
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on Oct 2nd, 2004, 3:24pm, Jonny wrote:| Balls in your court, Dave |
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Awwwww........I don't wanna pick on Davey boy. First time I found this place, my head was ravaged, I was hammering down a tall glass of Jack Daniels, trying to kill the pain, when I stumbled across the little ditty about alcohol and CH. My reading skills sufficed that day, at least.
Dave, you learned a valuable lesson. No real harm, no real foul. Climb up onto the roof of your trailer, yell at the top of your lungs, and spread the word. There's plenty more cool stuff to learn around here, much of it very helpful.
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Like this is the first time?
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I believe the actual term was "resource facility." (see: reading skills. heh) There's _quite_ a difference between the two.
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Stop telling me what to do.
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« Reply #18 on: Oct 2nd, 2004, 5:06pm » |
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Shut up, Hap....you sound like a bitch without a fuck!
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« Reply #19 on: Oct 2nd, 2004, 5:43pm » |
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Alley.......
I wasn't pincking on you or any other particular person. I wasn't even paying attention to who was saying what.
I was "feeling" the difference in today's answers compared to when we were all still learning about what to try, who had the same symptoms, ya know, stuff like that.
The difference between now and then is that we've heard the same questions so many times now that we don't take the time to give very good answers.....just little snippits. If you don't believe me, go back to about mid-1999 or so and really read for about an hour. Not just a few answers here and there, but page after page in sequence.
OUCH is grown up now.....not just a kid anymore. It's bound to change, I'm sure. But it hurts to "feel" the difference in attitude. I still care about today's sufferer as I did about the first one I came acrossed. You all are loyal and good friends and good building blocks for OUCH or ch.com, which ever you prefer to frequent. But you did miss the pain of the early days as we grew from newborn OUCH to OUCH today.. Now, I'm not saying that that's a bad today. I'm just askin for you to think back about how happy you were to find us and learn that you're not alone anymore, and realize that that's how todays newbie feels too. Suppose you got started on the wrong foot....would you have fought back, kept quiet until you found your corner in this room or just left broken hearted?
My personal experience was that I got slammed against the wall so hard that I got the wind knocked out of me by a guy named drummer. Surprised the hell out of me and did leave me in tears. I lurked for a while until I got to "know" a few of the personalities and the "netiqette" Then, I quietly made a few comments and it all grew from there. Drummer and I got to be pretty good friends. I've been here now since about October of 1999.
So, Alley, if you want to think I was pointing at you, you're wrong. If I wanted to single someone out, I'd have called them by name.
You can take this letter and really "read and feel" what I am saying, or you can just skim over it and forget it. I a baring my soul right now because I am crying and hurting over losing OUCH, which was a big and proud part of my life.
Where have I been for a few days? Oh, on an MRI table for one thing. Out of work for 22 days now. Seems I've been in some bad pain for a couple of months and they found a Vertbra out of line, three bulging discs and a spinal stenosis that in 2 years has gone from moderate to severe. But that doesn't put any different color on life or the things I say.
I feel like I lost something prescious when I quit the Board of Directors. I've been working hard for OUCH since I first joined. It hurts me a great deal, still. But it was a matter of ethics and I am a "too honest" person", I've been told. Not trying to reopen what's been done. Just hurting out loud.
The balls in my court, Alley? Sweetie, I just left the court.
Love to you all and please......work a little harder at finding that cure. Get along and help one another.
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on Oct 2nd, 2004, 5:43pm, Donna H. wrote:
OUCH is grown up now.....not just a kid anymore. It's bound to change, I'm sure. But it hurts to "feel" the difference in attitude. I still care about today's sufferer as I did about the first one I came acrossed. You all are loyal and good friends and good building blocks for OUCH or ch.com, which ever you prefer to frequent. But you did miss the pain of the early days as we grew from newborn OUCH to OUCH today.. Now, I'm not saying that that's a bad today. I'm just askin for you to think back about how happy you were to find us and learn that you're not alone anymore, and realize that that's how todays newbie feels too. Suppose you got started on the wrong foot....would you have fought back, kept quiet until you found your corner in this room or just left broken hearted?
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Donna, this is not OUCH, this is CH.com. OUCH has NOTHING to do with this thread whatsoever. Please leave OUCH out of it.
Thank you,
Melissa
P.S. I'm very sorry to hear of all the pain you are and have been in. I hope things begin to get better really soon.
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« Reply #21 on: Oct 2nd, 2004, 5:56pm » |
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Mel.....please excuse me. My mistake is blending the two, but reflect a combintion of my past experiences with both.
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I understand hon. Please check your PM's.
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« Reply #23 on: Oct 2nd, 2004, 6:12pm » |
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Donna H. ?????? 
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« Reply #24 on: Oct 2nd, 2004, 6:27pm » |
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donna h? bummer, we gotta jumper. I know how you feel. come back soon, our pain is our bond.
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