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REMEMBER CAT STEVENS ??
« on: Sep 22nd, 2004, 2:06am » |
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On the news here we was told that he is not welcome to USA on securityreasons.The reason was he has converted to islam
Its just insane
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Re: REMEMBER CAT STEVENS ??
« Reply #2 on: Sep 22nd, 2004, 2:45am » |
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WTF you have to be kidding me, thats just crazy. he converted years ago.
My fav song is Father and Son, the best line for me is" when I was old enough to talk I was ordered to listen " I grew up with a father that was a Major in the USMC , Yes Sir LOL
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Re: REMEMBER CAT STEVENS ??
« Reply #3 on: Sep 22nd, 2004, 3:22am » |
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Easily his best song Bec!
My favorite verse from that song is:
"All the times, that I cried,
Keeping all the things I knew inside.
It's hard, but it's harder to ignore.
If they were right, I'd agree
But it's them they know not me.
Now there's a way
and I know I have to go away.
I know, I have to go."
One of the best songwriters ever ... well at least up to that Izitso album 
Didn't hear the news story, but have to wonder why he'd even want to come to the USA? He made it clear that he supported Saddam during the Gulf War and even at one time said he agreed with the bounty on Rushdie (He later recounted that.)
Do I think he's a "security risk"? Not at all, just another political twist to try to keep US citizens in a fear mode with ridiculous prejudice. The real reason probably lies in that he teaches his beliefs in his new stlye of music (if you can call it that.) I think the sad thing is when the views are heard more just because someone is a celebrity. Shoot ... I'll quote Homer Simpson, "Rock stars ... is there anything they don't know?" 
Love his older music, but could care less about his opinions, seem confused to me anway, and think he might be a bit confused himself still to this day.
Was there any reason Svenn mentioned why or if he wanted to come to the USA?
Just wondering?
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Re: REMEMBER CAT STEVENS ??
« Reply #4 on: Sep 22nd, 2004, 3:25am » |
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just that the US authorities did see him as a securityreason,Dave.Thats all they said.The plane he was in was ordering down and he had to leave the plane.
Just insane the way i see it
btw just LOVE most of his old stuff myself to
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Re: REMEMBER CAT STEVENS ??
« Reply #5 on: Sep 22nd, 2004, 3:41am » |
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LOL! Thanks Svenn ... yep ... think I'm guessing right, just more political BS! 
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Re: REMEMBER CAT STEVENS ??
« Reply #6 on: Sep 22nd, 2004, 5:54am » |
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"It's also a very sad state of affairs when a man best known as a peace loving pop star can be grouped into the same category Osama Bin Laden just because of his chosen faith."
- statement posted on a Web site where his music is promoted
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Re: REMEMBER CAT STEVENS ??
« Reply #7 on: Sep 22nd, 2004, 6:08am » |
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on Sep 22nd, 2004, 3:22am, Dave_Emond wrote:| He made it clear that he supported Saddam during the Gulf War and even at one time |
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How peace loving is that?
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Re: REMEMBER CAT STEVENS ??
« Reply #8 on: Sep 22nd, 2004, 6:25am » |
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on Sep 22nd, 2004, 6:08am, alleyoop wrote:How peace loving is that?
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on Sep 22nd, 2004, 3:22am, Dave_Emond wrote:| I'll quote Homer Simpson, "Rock stars ... is there anything they don't know?" |
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Apparently Homer was wrong. 
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Re: REMEMBER CAT STEVENS ??
« Reply #9 on: Sep 22nd, 2004, 6:35am » |
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In a statement on his Web site, he wrote, "Crimes against innocent bystanders taken hostage in any circumstance have no foundation whatsoever in the life of Islam and the model example of Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him."
After the Sept. 11 attacks, Islam issued a statement saying: "No right thinking follower of Islam could possibly condone such an action: The Quran equates the murder of one innocent person with the murder of the whole of humanity."
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Re: REMEMBER CAT STEVENS ??
« Reply #10 on: Sep 22nd, 2004, 7:02am » |
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I read that he was actually interviewed and it was after the interview that he was denied entry. Who knows, cause we all know they will tell us what THEY THINK we should know.
I was very surprised by the whole thing though cause i thought he was always a peace loving guy.
I'm just glad to know that they are screening passengers and trying to keep us safe.
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Re: REMEMBER CAT STEVENS ??
« Reply #11 on: Sep 22nd, 2004, 8:01am » |
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Personally, I'm pretty sick of knee-jerk journalism and sensationalism that passes for factual reporting. I'll wait until all of the facts are known.
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Re: REMEMBER CAT STEVENS ??
« Reply #12 on: Sep 22nd, 2004, 8:22am » |
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6067570/
"Last year he released two songs, including a re-recording of his ’70s hit “Peace Train,” to express his opposition to the U.S.-led war in Iraq."
That's probably enough right there.
Our Homeland Security team aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer. 
Looks to me like he plays both sides of the fence though...
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Re: REMEMBER CAT STEVENS ??
« Reply #13 on: Sep 22nd, 2004, 9:24am » |
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on Sep 22nd, 2004, 8:22am, vig wrote:| Our Homeland Security team aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer. |
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Brought to you by the same people that want to trace YOUR every move on the web.
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Re: REMEMBER CAT STEVENS ??
« Reply #14 on: Sep 22nd, 2004, 9:38am » |
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Sometimes extreme pacifists resort to dangerous measures.
Example: Pro-life advocists who bomb abortion clinics or shoot abortion doctors. Vietnam Vets Against the War who discuss a proposal to assassinate pro-war Senators (one of our Presidental candidates was there).
If Cat was on the "watch list", I think the failure here was not that he was yanked from the plane but that the plane was allowed to take off with him onboard. I hope they tighten up that flaw.
Islam drew some negative attention in the late 1980s when he supported the Ayatollah Khomeini's death sentence against Salman Rushdie, author of "The Satanic Verses."
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Re: REMEMBER CAT STEVENS ??
« Reply #15 on: Sep 22nd, 2004, 10:01am » |
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on Sep 22nd, 2004, 9:38am, Bob P wrote:Sometimes extreme pacifists resort to dangerous measures.
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Why he was on a watch list, I suppose we will find out [maybe]. I suppose for the same reasons John Lennon was watched. We must still be using the old J. Edgar Hoover playbook.
At least publicly he spoke out against violence, including 911 and the recent bloodbath in Russia. He even donated to the 911 fund.
I'm a bit surprised though that Ashcroft didn't come to his defense since he never wrote anything that people could dance to.
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Re: REMEMBER CAT STEVENS ??
« Reply #16 on: Sep 22nd, 2004, 10:15am » |
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The Cat has been in exile from America for a reeaal looong time. If I remember correctly, this predates the war on terrorism. If his ass was supposed to be out of the country before, then his ass needs to stay out now. This is NOT a new thing. He has admitted to giving financial aid to known terrorists groups and openly supports the Anti-American Clerics in Iran. In the mid 90's he openly supported the demise of the US and called for the death of Salman Rushdie for the authoring of the book, "The Satanic Verses."
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Re: REMEMBER CAT STEVENS ??
« Reply #17 on: Sep 22nd, 2004, 10:34am » |
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I guess I do not find it incredible that Yusuf Islam is on a watch list. He has been banned from Israel since the 1980's for his (alleged) association with Hamas. During a visit he made to Israel in 1988, the government of Israel claims that he delivered tens of thousands of dollars to Hamas, the militant Islamic group. Two years later, in 1990, he tried to enter Israel again but was turned away. Then in 2000 he tried to enter Israel but was deported.
I doubt very much that just his conversion to Islam is the reason he was denied entry. If that were the case, then Hakeem Olajuwon, Muhammad Ali, Richard Thompson, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Art Blakey, and Everlast (to name a few) would also have trouble for the same reason.
A country's right to deny entry is an important one. Countries generally have discretion as to whom they allow to enter for whatever they deem reasonable reasons. I believe Israel will not let you in if you have visited Syria or Lebanon recently. Also, Turkey won't let you in if you visited Cypress. Greece won't let you in if you have visited N. Cypress.
I'm certain that Salman Rushdie isn't very upset about Yusuf Islam's deportation.
To quote Wikpedia on the issue: "But later in 1989, Yusuf Islam said in a British television documentary that he wasn't against the death sentence in principle: Rather than go to a demonstration where Rushdie would be burned in effigy, "I would have hoped that it'd be the real thing" he said. If Rushdie showed up at his door, he said he "might ring somebody who might do more damage to him than he would like... I'd try to phone the Ayatollah Khomeini and tell him exactly where this man is." The New York Times reported that he stood by his statements in a subsequent interview."
But maybe he was banned because he chose "Cat" as a stage name back in the 60's.
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Re: REMEMBER CAT STEVENS ??
« Reply #18 on: Sep 22nd, 2004, 10:53am » |
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Peace loving?
His actions are contradictory. He has given large sums of money to terrorist organizations and proudly says so. He endorsed the death sentence on Rushdie. He supports anit-American groups who kill innocent people.
Peace-loving my ass. Send him packing. Nice to see the system almost work for once. Only way it could have been better is if he was denied boarding.
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Re: REMEMBER CAT STEVENS ??
« Reply #19 on: Sep 22nd, 2004, 10:53am » |
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on Sep 22nd, 2004, 10:15am, Jeepgun wrote:| The Cat has been in exhile from America for a reeaal looong time... |
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I thought he was born in London. Did he ever live in the US?
on Sep 22nd, 2004, 10:15am, Jeepgun wrote:| ...He has admitted to giving financial aid to known terrorists groups and openly supports the Anti-American Clerics in Iran. In the mid 90's he openly supported the demise of the US... |
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It would be interesting to read that as stated by a reliable source.
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Re: REMEMBER CAT STEVENS ??
« Reply #21 on: Sep 22nd, 2004, 11:29am » |
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Please note, the "Cat" discussed in this thread has no association whatsoever with the Cat that resides in clusterville.
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Re: REMEMBER CAT STEVENS ??
« Reply #22 on: Sep 22nd, 2004, 11:30am » |
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No offense intended towards Hirvimaki or Fu but they are not what I would call "reliable sources".
Wikipedia is a "free content encyclopedia". ie. ANYONE can add WHATEVER they want. Hardly a reliable source.
Not trying to start anything here but I'd just like to see a reliable source make similar statements about him being "Anti-American", etc...
edited to add: Since I'm at work, I don't have time to go through all of the links on the Wikipedia page but the couple I did made NO mention of "Anti-American", etc.
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Re: REMEMBER CAT STEVENS ??
« Reply #23 on: Sep 22nd, 2004, 12:03pm » |
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Just to clarify, I never said that Yusuf Islam is anti-American.
It is not conjecture that he is banned from Israel.
I was very careful to note that the charges of his involvement with Hamas are ALLEGED.
I quoted the Wikpedia article only because it referenced a BBC documentary (which I did see) - so sorry that I don't have the streaming video for you.
His comments concerning Salman Rushdie aren't a State secret.
Interesting how you can just pass by a statement like "The reason was he has converted to islam..." without batting an eye.
I still stand by the intent of my post. I doubt very much that his conversion to Islam is the reason he was denied entry.
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Re: REMEMBER CAT STEVENS ??
« Reply #24 on: Sep 22nd, 2004, 12:13pm » |
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I have always respected Cat Stevens' music & seeing what was done by Nixon to Mr. John Lennon...I will hold my comments on why he is not allowed into the U.S.A.
As far as I've seen or heard...he's a peace loving musician who happens to believe in Islam. Hell...A lot of people don't support the Iraqi war. I'll respect that opinion.
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