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farmboy
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I think this 9-11 stuff is getting a little old.
It is like we are obsessed with a nationwide pitty party.
It is a terrible thing that has happened but i think it is time to move on and quit feeling sorry for ourselfs.
There are people getting killed and maimed in this country everyday , in auto accidents. murdered, abuse and a mulitude of other events. Are they any less dead any less missed, any less inocent.
What about them?
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Re: 9-11 thing
« Reply #1 on: Sep 11th, 2004, 2:28pm » |
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I am tempted to be really angry that you said these things...but I digress.
The point is that none of the people who die in car accidents, murders, and the other "multitude" of events as you say...died directly as a result of an act of war.
This was an indiscriminate act of war....THAT IS THE POINT. That and the fact that the act's intent was to scare AMERICA into submission. America has never backed down from an enemy and isnt about to start now, its kind of the American way. 
So, you are just willing to forget the whole thing? Tell that to the surviving families of the innocents that died at the WTC and the public service people who died trying to save as many of them as they could.... better yet, move to CHINA. 
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on Sep 11th, 2004, 2:11pm, farmboy wrote:I think this 9-11 stuff is getting a little old.
It is like we are obsessed with a nationwide pitty party.
It is a terrible thing that has happened but i think it is time to move on and quit feeling sorry for ourselfs.
There are people getting killed and maimed in this country everyday , in auto accidents. murdered, abuse and a mulitude of other events. Are they any less dead any less missed, any less inocent.
What about them?
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a little old? pity party? you, my friend, are dead fucken wrong, nuff said
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Re: 9-11 thing
« Reply #4 on: Sep 11th, 2004, 3:22pm » |
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Re: 9-11 thing
« Reply #5 on: Sep 11th, 2004, 3:30pm » |
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On November 11th I'll be involved in organising a Remembrance Service here for an event which ended in 1918. Needless to say what you said on that level is crap.
I agree that at some point, we stop thinking quite so specifically of the people, and think more of the meaning of the events, but that will not happen in this case for a good few years, and quite rightly so.
Anyway, get back to MTV and enjoy the really important things in life. (A spelling primer might be an alternative.)
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Re: 9-11 thing
« Reply #6 on: Sep 11th, 2004, 3:46pm » |
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farmboy, your statements are just plain 100 percent WRONG.
Next are you going to tell the good people of Florida to forget last weeks hurricane because it is over? Or don't worry about the big one that will tear the state apart tomorrow. After all, the past is gone and tommorrow is the future, why worry about it.
Are you going to tell the parents of the children that died by terrorists hands in the school in Russia to move on? After all it is over with. They should stop whining and greiving. They were only children, big deal. "Hey you Russian Mothers and Fathers your kids are dead. get over yourselves!"
An apology is in order here.
modified to try to remain polite and remove some dirty words and what I really think.
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Re: 9-11 thing
« Reply #7 on: Sep 11th, 2004, 4:06pm » |
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When a tragic event occurs, whether it be on a more personal level, like an auto accident, an accidental shooting, a suicide, or a murder of a loved one, or on a national level, like WWI, Pearl Harbor, WWII, Kennedy's assination, the explosion of the space shuttles, or the terrorist attacks on 9/11, we all try to deal in different ways. Some people would rather forget, some people want to remember. I think that reasons for both people's actions is that the event in question is painful. Pain, especially the type of pain caused by genuine tragedy, is difficult to deal with.
Farmboy, I don't think that anybody has forgotten about the other people who suffer tragic consequences from day to day. In fact, I would bet that personal tragedies are remembered by individuals every single day.
A tragic event is remembered by the people who are/were affected by it. Since events like 9/11 and Pearl Harbor have in the past and continue to affect us on a national and even global level, it is althogther not surprising that the pain is relived and remembered on a national level. In fact, it is expected and incredibly appropriate. The pain suffered by a nation is carried by a nation, and acts of rememberence help to deal with that pain.
While the mediaization of the day may seem overwhelmingly focused on 9/11 to the exclusion of other events, it is probably not accurate to call it a pity party. Maybe more along the lines of carrying one another's burdens, and remembering one of the most devastating events that has occured in our lifetimes (certainly the most in my lifetime).
I am sorry that you are frustrated, but the day is probably tough for you too.
Casey
ps, just in case anybody wondered, I am American despite what that flag says by my name there <--.
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here Farmboy, what's the difference between the two picture below? Some clues, it's not a little old and it's not a pity party
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Re: 9-11 thing
« Reply #9 on: Sep 11th, 2004, 4:08pm » |
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Being that Pearl Harbor happened 63 years ago, I can't imagine how self-pitying we must seem for recalling that event too, and what we had to do.
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Re: 9-11 thing
« Reply #10 on: Sep 11th, 2004, 4:27pm » |
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farmboy,
From another thread:
http://www.clusterheadaches.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=general;acti on=display;num=1094909805
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Re: POTD: 9/11 image
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He wasn't a sick fuck!
He was doing a job that needed to be done. It is fact that he recorded.He saved for history what really happened to the people in the building that day. IF it dose anything it should make you think about the choice those people had made that day.
For all they knew they were going to be burn't alive.
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Re: 9-11 thing
« Reply #11 on: Sep 11th, 2004, 4:32pm » |
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KOP,
I wondered about that too...
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Re: 9-11 thing
« Reply #12 on: Sep 11th, 2004, 4:41pm » |
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So.......yer saying we SHOULD forget ? An act of war effects us all.......and always will.........it reminds us how things COULD change.....for us all. Pre planned cold blooded mass murder not forgotten Pam
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whoa, I am also, thanks for referencing that
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Re: 9-11 thing
« Reply #14 on: Sep 11th, 2004, 4:49pm » |
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Quote:I think this 9-11 stuff is getting a little old.
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Pitty party? Hard to imagine it ever being so. It's not a American obsession. We aren't alone. Most of Europe, especially England and France, I believe, have similar events that they remember. It's important and it hasn't paralized New Yorkers. Just the opposite.
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Re: 9-11 thing
« Reply #15 on: Sep 11th, 2004, 5:11pm » |
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What didn't kill "US" has made us "ALL" stronger.......remembering keeps the ties unbroken Pam
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Re: 9-11 thing
« Reply #16 on: Sep 11th, 2004, 5:36pm » |
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farmboy,
http://911digitalarchive.org/special/tribute.swf
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Farmboy.
Are you out of your fucking mind?
You little prick.
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IGNORANT little prick.
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Re: 9-11 thing
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AS OF MOST RECENT DATABASE UPDATE, 08/08/2004 1:26:29 AM:
CONFIRMED DEAD: 2948
REPORTED DEAD: 24
REPORTED MISSING: 24
TOTAL: 2996
If you want to see the magnitude of this horrifying day in American history click on the following link and see how long it takes you to scroll to the bottom of the page. Take your time, click on a picture or two....It is overwhelming to see all the names and ages.
http://www.september11victims.com/september11Victims/victims_list.htm
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9-11 thing?
Son, wake up and smell the coffee. Let me back up and let me answer you in the way my father would have. (by way of history, he passed away many years ago. but he was a 1st Division Infranty ENG. , First wave Omaha Beach,WW 2, he went in to blow up the shit up so the rest cud get in alive)
Nope, I can't answer for him, although I know what he woud say.
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Re: 9-11 thing
« Reply #20 on: Sep 11th, 2004, 8:19pm » |
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Clarence, you have said it better than i could ever. It didn't come across as i wanted it to.
I do have a problem with the way the media is using this.
It seems to me the media inforces the wo is me message.
ie pitty party. They seem to be obsessed with this.
I never said to forget .
Moving on is not forgetting. it seems it was taken that way by most.
After my aunt died who was like a second mother to me i grieved, but i came to grips with it and moved on. the event is the event but i feel no need to over dramatize it.
The pictures that were posted. I think by jonny. I answered the way i did because things like that need to be documented. How else are we going to remember the choices made by those who where there that day. That guy was not a sick fuck who took the pictures. He did us a great thing by saving that moment..
I think about the people who jumped from the windows.
What they must have thought about before they decided to jump.
The guy that took the pictures saved that instant of time so that everyone could see and remember.
For me that was a very powerful image and invokes thoughts of what those persons had to indure that day.
For all who had nothing but rude comments , i am sorry you had to vent that way.
For the others that wrote comments , many had points i never even thought of. you have made me think about your points of view and i thank you for that.
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Re: 9-11 thing
« Reply #21 on: Sep 11th, 2004, 9:14pm » |
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I was a little harsh this day in response to this thread...for that I am apologetic. "I am a man and I can change if I have to I guess."
The 9-11 disaster has multiple implications for me, although I was not directly involved in the actual event, I was quite a ways away from home, NEAR the epicenter of events (at least as close as I never cared to be) and at the time had NO idea what was going to happen next. I thought it was the begining of the Armageddon and who knows it STILL may end up being that. Couple that with no nearby family or relatives to contact the days and weeks following were rather traumatic and not just for me.
That being said...the pics Jonny posted appeared in the NY Times the following day and at that time I TOO said it was unecessary to print them...I now not only stand corrected, I applaud the capture of those grizzly scenes for they truly document the nature and horror of the event itself.
However...I do understand the feelings Farmboy has expressed for some it may still be way too painfull to remember and for those probably will for many years to come. I find the footage of the event extremely disturbing, the audio of the phone calls from the planes that crashed into the pentagon and WTC even more so...why? Because it IS the reality of it...none of the people on those planes outside of the evildoers had ANY idea what was going to happen before boarding and even those who opted to TRY to save the country and died trying couldnt have had any real idea of the severity of the situation prior to having lifted off THAT is what makes the reality so bitter.
In retrospect Farmboy the people who were pictured falling/jumping from the WTC that day...I seriously doubt even today if they had lived that any of this was "overdramatized" you said it yourself...
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I doubt that their decision to jump from those buildings was and over dramatic decision in the least. The buildings came down and those that didn't jump died anyhow.
so I still say....ALWAYS remember and NEVER FORGET...there is no true moving on from such an event.
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Re: 9-11 thing
« Reply #22 on: Sep 11th, 2004, 9:30pm » |
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I cannot believe the what Farm Boy or whoever said. You weren't there, you lost noone in the tragedy. You also haven't obviously lost anyone in this war in Iraq. Had you been here rather than on the farm and had to see the candles on peoples porches with the picture of their lost love one. Had you looked across the Hudson and seen the smoke for days after you wouldn't have had to say something so stupid. I know what I was doing a I guess you were busy doing whatever it is that Farmboys do.
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Quote:| For all who had nothing but rude comments , i am sorry you had to vent that way. |
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I'm not.
Quote:event is the event but i feel no need to over dramatize it.
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Your still an ignorant little prick.
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Re: 9-11 thing
« Reply #24 on: Sep 11th, 2004, 10:25pm » |
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Ladies and gents, don't call dickweed's reaction a "Farmer" thing. I know lots of good, down to earth farm people that were plenty upset by the events of 9-11-01 and who today said a prayer and shed a silent tear for the victims and their families and for the men and women who continue to serve this country at home and abroad.
Sincerely,
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