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JDH
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Tomorrow marks the third anniversary of THE darkest day that I can remember in my 47years.
Please take a little time out of your day and and reflect back on what happened three years ago.
I found the following poem on the internet and it's in memory of all those who perished that morning; the passengers and the pilots on the United Air and AA flights, the workers in the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, and all the innocent bystanders.
Our prayers go out to the friends and families of the deceased.
IF I KNEW
If I knew it would be the last time
That I'd see you fall asleep,
I would tuck you in more tightly
and pray the Lord, your soul to keep.
If I knew it would be the last time
that I see you walk out the door,
I would give you a hug and kiss
and call you back for one more.
If I knew it would be the last time
I'd hear your voice lifted up in praise,
I would video tape each action and word,
so I could play them back day after day.
If I knew it would be the last time,
I could spare an extra minute
to stop and say "I love you,"
instead of assuming you would KNOW I do.
If I knew it would be the last time
I would be there to share your day,
Well I'm sure you'll have so many more,
so I can let just this one slip away.
For surely there's always tomorrow
to make up for an oversight,
and we always get a second chance
to make everything just right.
There will always be another day
to say "I love you,"
And certainly there's another chance
to say our "Anything I can do?"
But just in case I might be wrong,
and today is all I get,
I'd like to say how much I love you
and I hope we never forget.
Tomorrow is not promised to anyone,
young or old alike,
And today may be the last chance
you get to hold your loved one tight.
So if you're waiting for tomorrow,
why not do it today?
For if tomorrow never comes,
you'll surely regret the day,
That you didn't take that extra time
for a smile, a hug, or a kiss
and you were too busy to grant someone,
what turned out to be their one last wish.
So hold your loved ones close today,
and whisper in their ear,
Tell them how much you love them
and that you'll always hold them dear
Take time to say "I'm sorry,"
"Please forgive me," "Thank you," or "It's okay."
And if tomorrow never comes,
you'll have no regrets about today.
NEVER FORGET!
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It marks another aniversary too, but one that is much less painful. 
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Re: 9/11/01
« Reply #2 on: Sep 10th, 2004, 12:22pm » |
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Today we received some giant magnets in the shape of ribbons with the red white and blue symbolic flag saying, USA Proud American from security, as we entered our building. I understand the feeling behind it, but I found it weird. A giant magnet.
Only one other guy I spoke to the day I started at this company (today is my anniversary) reminds me that 9/11 is coming. He is a big, burly guy, works for corporate services. On 9/11 I tapped him on the shoulder to ask him a question. We still weren't all apprised of what was REALLY happening and how bad it was. When he turned to answer me... I knew it was bad. He was crying... and his wife was in the tower. He said he'll never forget that - the look of realization.
For many other reasons as well as these two -
I will never forget.
Thanks JDH.
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Re: 9/11/01
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Re: 9/11/01
« Reply #4 on: Sep 10th, 2004, 1:06pm » |
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What are the 9/11 stories that we know or have connections to? It is good to remember...to be reminded of these stories.
I personally was in a chem lab from 8am to noon that day. Nobody even told us. I left the lab, and I was going to get ready for my next class in the music building. I got to the music building and two of my friends, Sarah and Kristin were sitting outside. They told me to go check if I still had class. I said, "Why wouldn't I have class? It's a Tuesday afternoon?" They immediately looked at each other and one of them said, "Ohhhhh you don't know, do you??" I had no idea...
They filled me in, and then I called my dad. He was worried because both my aunts work in NYC, but more in the times square area, I think. Another of my aunts was a flight attendant for American, and she was flying in and out of NYC all the time. We didn't know all the details at that point. We couldn't get in touch with any of them, which was scary. My two little cousins weren't in the city. I think they were in school right outside the city in New York.
I remember that I was supposed to accompany a voice lesson at 12:30. The voice teacher asked me why I looked so upset. I said, "uhhhh...New York? Trade Center?" He said.."oh it was just the trade center. No one else is affected." I was ready to hit him. I had to accompany the lesson anyways. After that, I went home and watched it all on tv and probably consumed about 5000 calories in 20 minutes just out of worry.
My friend and I later that night went to Penn State's HUB to see if we could donate blood. The next day my best friend Erik told me he was going to join the army. I just remember mostly being in shock.
Then the stories started coming out. My freshman year roommate was from NYC, and many of her family members worked in the trade center. Only her cousin did not make it out alive. My friend Gordon's two best friends were at the trade centers that day..I don't even think they would have been normally. They both died.
The stories that hit me the closest to home were that of Danny and Joe Shea. They and their families were my aunts' best friends. One was married with 3 children, one married with 4 children. Their sister Kathy was my one aunt's tennis partner. They worked on the 101st and 102nd floor of Cantor Fitzgerald.
Joe called home to tell his wife Nancy about the incident. She wasn't there and he left a message on the machine. He said he wasn't leaving the building without Danny. That was the last anyone ever heard from them.
The families had them declared as dead instead of waiting for their remains to be found. They had services for them. It was very sad...especially for the children, some as young as just a year old.
I still have the article about a service held for Cantor Fitzgerald employees on my bulletin board here. I see it every day....and remember. Cantor Fitzgerald later screwed the family members of their 700+ deceased employees and then worked to repair this damage. To this day, I still don't know where all of that stands.
I just know that 7 young children who live right outside New York City with their mothers no longer have their dads. Kathy Shea is left behind and constantly struggles with the memory.
On the positive side, my aunts were ok in the city that day. They got out and got their boys from school. They were ok...except for the memories, except for the impact, except for the loss. My flight attendant aunt was not flying that day. The next day she had been scheduled to fly into or out of NYC (I forget which). Obviously that didn't happen. We were relieved that my family was all ok.
9/11/01 Always always always remember. Never forget what happened that day. The terror, the horror, the sadness, the shock, the loss.
Tomorrow I am working in the hospital for 12 hours...I am kinda glad because then I won't sit here and watch it on tv all day. But I will be wearing my rememberance pin.  The best thing I can do for Danny and Joe and all those lost is to continue on living the best life that I can.
Thanks for starting this thread, Jim. Sorry for the length of my post!!
Love to you all and be safe.
Lizzie2/Carrie
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Re: 9/11/01
« Reply #5 on: Sep 10th, 2004, 1:21pm » |
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NEVER
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FORGET !
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PBS had an American Experience episode about 9/11 yesterday. It was very moving, heartbreaking really. The description of what happened to those people on the morning of September 11 in New York is easy to forget, because it's so horrendous.
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Re: 9/11/01
« Reply #7 on: Sep 10th, 2004, 1:36pm » |
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Don't need to remind me. I work 3 blocks from the White House. I was chatting with my boss this morn remembering what I said after tower 2 was hit "That's it we're out of here. The pentagon is next. " Then it was hit. Very surreal walking the packed streets of DC and no noise...just radios playing form peoples car listening to the news and TV's on the sidewalks showing CNN.
I will never, ever forget.
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Some of the things I remember most: Lying in bed and arguing with my wife because I wanted to reenlist. Crying... Sobbing... Waiting for the announcement that we had just vaporized Mecca with 50 nuclear bombs... The silence in the skies -- No planes for several days. For days after, watching Peanuts holiday specials with my (then) four-year old daughter, and hugging her... A lot... and crying. Watching the video, "Overcome," and crying. Seeing the world tribute to the victims of 9/11 on the internet and crying.... Crying and crying and crying.... Tears of sorrow, grief, RAGE, and pain...
Never, ever forget. No matter how the liberal media tries to downplay it, no matter how a$$holes in Hollywood try to say that "we deserved it," and no matter how many Michael Moore-ons prostitute 3,000 American lives to their twisted and fanatical political views. Never forget. Never forget that 3,000 fathers, mothers, children, husbands, families, lives, loves, and worlds were violently torn apart on that crisp September morning. Never, ever ever forget the ash, the fire, the people jumping in desperation, the slamming impact of the planes, the stories of heroism, the firefighters who so valiantly gave their lives trying to save the lives of others... Never forget. Never forget. Never forget. (As if it were even POSSIBLE to forget.)
This is where fanaticism leads: Death, murder, suicide, destruction. This is the ONLY thing fanaticism offers. Never forget.
G*ddammit, it's not a Democratic or Republican "thing" either. 
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Re: 9/11/01
« Reply #9 on: Sep 10th, 2004, 2:02pm » |
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You're so right Frank, it's an "American thing"
nice post.
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Re: 9/11/01
« Reply #10 on: Sep 10th, 2004, 2:12pm » |
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Its never far from thought and always in my heart. I WILL NEVER NOT EVER FORGET. Its not the way THIS American gal does things.
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Re: 9/11/01
« Reply #11 on: Sep 10th, 2004, 2:51pm » |
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11th September, an unforgettable day in our memories, a day of sorrow for everyone...
The worst day of the history of the 3rd millennium...
My personal thoughts and prayers for all innocet victims, heros, and for America in the third anniversary of this huge tragedy...
Zaira, Italy
P.S. I have read “IF I KNEW” last year in Italian language, and I translated it, as I could. It is different from yours, but I think the meaning is the same.
Questa catena non viene interrotta dall’11 settembre 2001
E’ diventato un modo per “mantenere la vita” e circola dall’11.09.2001
In ricordo di tutti coloro che sono morti quel mattino,
i passeggeri e i piloti della United Air e della AA Flüge, gli impiegati del World Trade Center e del Pentagono, tutti i testimoni e i passanti innocenti. La nostra preghiera si rivolge agli amici e alle famiglie dei morti:
se sapessi che è l’ultima volta
che ti guardo mentre ti addormenti, ti rimboccherei meglio le coperte.
E chiederei a Dio di vegliare sulla tua anima.
Se sapesi che è l’ultima volta
Che ti vedo uscire dalla porta,
ti abbraccerei e ti bacerei
per poi richiamarti per un altro bacio ancora.
Se sapessi che è l’ultima volta
Che sento la tua voce
Registrerei ogni gesto e ogni parola,
così da poterli rivedere, giorno dopo giorno.
Se sapessi che è l’ultima volta
In cui posso fermarmi per un momento,
per dirti “Ti voglio bene”
invece di andarmene, date che lo sai,
che ti voglio bene.
Se sapessi che è l’ultima volta
che posso essere lì, per passare la giornata con te,
perché sono sicuro, che saranno ancora giorni in cui potremo farlo,
cosicché io possa lasciar trascorrere questa.
Ci sarà sempre una mattina
in cui commettiamo degli errori
e in cui avremo bisogno di una seconda possibilità
per mettere al posto le cose.
Ci sarà sempre un altro
Per dire “Ti voglio bene”
e ci sarà sempre un’altra possibilità
per dire “Posso fare qualcosa per te?”
Ma nel caso avessi torto
e ci fosse rimasto solo oggi
vorrei dirti che ti voglio bene
e che spero che non ci dimenticheremo mai.
Il Domani non è stato promesso a nessuno,
giovane o vecchio,
e oggi potrebbe essere l’ultima possibilità
che abbiamo per tenerci stretta la vita.
Così perché non fai oggi
Quello che rimandi a domani?
A volte Domani non arriverà mai.
Ti pentirai profondamente
Di non esserti preso del tempo,
per un sorriso, un abbraccio o un bacio
e di essere stato troppo occupato, per offrire a qualcuno
quello che avrebbe espresso come ultimo desiderio.
Ricordati dei tuoi cari oggi
E sussurragli nell’orecchio,
dì loro quanto li ami,
e quanto li amerai sempre.
Prenditi il tempo per dire “Mi dispiace”
“ti prego ascoltami”, “Grazie”, o “ E’ tutto a posto”
e se non ci sarà nessun domani
non ti pentirai di quello che hai fatto oggi.
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Re: 9/11/01
« Reply #12 on: Sep 10th, 2004, 2:52pm » |
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This chain hasn't been broken since September 11,2001.
It is a way "to support life" and it has been circulating since 11.9.2001 in memory of all the people who died that morning,
the passengers and pilots of the United Air and the AA Flüge, the employees of the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, all the witnesses and the innocent passers-by. Our prayer is addressed to the dead people's friends and families:
If I knew this is the last time
I look at you falling asleep, I'd tuck in better your blankets.
And I'd ask God to take care of your soul.
If I knew this is the last time
I see you getting out of the door,
I'd embrace and kiss you
and then I'd call you back for another kiss.
If I knew this is the last time
I hear your voice
I'd record every gesture and word of yours, so that
I could see them again every day.
If I knew this is the last time
I could stop for a minute,
to tell you „I love you“
instead of going away, as you know that
I love you.
If I knew this is the last time
I could be there to spend the day with you,
because I'm sure, there will be other days where we can do the same,
so I could let the day go by.
There will always be some mornings
in which we'll make mistakes
and we'll need a second chance
to settle things.
There will always be another day
to say „I love you“
and there will always be another chance
to say “Is there anything I can do for you?”
But if I were wrong
and we had only today left
I'd like to tell you that I love you
and I hope we'll never forget about each other.
Tomorrow hasn't been promised to anyone,
young or old,
and today could be the last chance
we have to be bound to life.
So why don't you do today
what you put off till tomorrow?
Sometimes, tomorrow will never come.
You will deeply regret
not having taken your time,
for a smile, an embrace or a kiss
and having been too busy to give someone
what would have turned out to be their last wish.
Remember your dear ones today
and whisper in their ears,
tell them, how much you love them.
and you'll always do.
Take your time to say „I'm sorry“
"Please, listen to me", "Thank you", or "It's all right"
and if there is not any tomorrow left
you will not repent of what you've done today.
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Re: 9/11/01
« Reply #13 on: Sep 10th, 2004, 3:06pm » |
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I will never forget....I got up that morning..the day after my son's birthday...clicked on ch.com...saw all kinds of posts on the mb about planes crashing ...still did not understand what was happening...had to go to the dentist...on the way there, listened to the news...got to the dentist and cried the entire time I was there...i will never forget that day...GOD bless America!.smiles,nancyc
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*crying* Zaira... I am so touched... Thank you so very much...
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Re: 9/11/01
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The morning this happened I was greeted by a co worker who told me about it. At that time, The second plane had just hit the twin towers.
I remember her telling me that they were saying that it was an accident cause by miss-communication. I told her that it's higly unlikely that a plane would "accidently" hit a high rise. I added that it was completly inprobable that a second plane would make the same mistake that soon.
I remember watching the news on the large screen TV here in the AV department at the Library. With the prior construction experiance I have, I knew from looking at the news that those buildings were not going to remain standing for much longer. I told a co-worker that "Those buildings are coming down soon." before I walked away.
I didn't have to ask what happened when I heard everyone gasp at the same time as I turned the corner when I left. I knew.
My heart sank. Here I was still on the high of celebrating my birthday the night before and then hearing about the twin towers getting hit by airplanes the next morning.
I was really freaked out by the fact that a company by the name of AON offered me a computer consulting job about 6 months before that. They wanted me to relocate to NY city for the job and I turned it down. They had one of the biggest losses of life for a single company in the collapse.
My heart aches for all of the families that lost their Fathers/Mothers/Sons/Daughters/Etc... in this act of terrorism. I wish I could give a hug to every child who still asks "When is Mommy/Daddy going to come home?"
I wish I could personally kick the a$$es of every single person who was involved in this day of destruction.
God Bless America.
Let Freedom Ring.
Nuke Bin Laden.
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Re: 9/11/01
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I shall never forget that day. My God, I can hardly type for the tears.
NEVER FORGET!!!
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Re: 9/11/01
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Today in NY is a day much like that day. Bright, sunshine -- just a gift of a day. Already in our neighborhood there is a feeling of quiet. No one around here will forget because so many of us lost friends and family that day. So many of us attended funerals for the mothers and fathers of children our children play with. The endless funeral processions for firefighters lost, the local roads looking like a war zone. The stench in the air for days after... What it felt like to be driving along with caravans of military vehicles for company - eeery feeling. The low flying jets headed out over the water........The look on Rudy Juliani's grey ashen face when he stood to tell us how many were dead. I will never forget.
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Man, I remember 9/11... what a day that was for a Red Cross employee in a major city. I hardly slept for a week because I was at work.
However, I also find my mind turning to the recent Russian school massacre
and the Madrid train bombing
and the bombing of two Russian jets
and other mass casualty terrorist incidents
and I have to wonder:
Why are American lives more important? Pretty much every government on the planet stood still to honor those we'd lost in the WTC. But you hardly hear a peep out of our people in condolence for non-Americans who have been killed in these equally shocking incidents. My mind boggles at our arrogance.
Is this what our people died for, so that would could all feel superior and insulated? Does America have the market cornered on grief and suffering? Or has our spirit of unilateralism made us numb to the events happening beyond our own borders?
I don't know... all I know is that BOTH sides have prostituted the memory of that day and those who died. And as a nation, we have apparently forgotten what's truly important:
That more important than being American is being Human and a child of God, regardless of what word one's religion and language use for "God."
So yeah, I'm sad. The memories of that day will live with me forever. My memories of the sheer outpouring of grief and of the feeling of an entire world bonded together in our common humanity and outrage are possibly even more powerful.
What happened to that??
Joe
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Right on, Joe. I wish we could get that international sense of humanity and brotherhood back. Hopefully, we can, and it won't take another incident like 9/11 to do it.
You are mistaken if you think that Americans don't care about Madrid, or the recent massacre in Russia, or the two jet liners that were crashed. My heart aches, but I'm only human. There's only so much grief I can contain. I am sad for those people, for all on our planet who have been victimized by these mindless murderers. Even the biggest cup can only hold so much water. My heart can only hold so many tears...
May God bless our world....
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On 9-11-01, I was at my previous job, working on soldering wires into some motherboards. There were only 6 of us working in the tiny shop that morning, and we had the radio on like we do everyday, all day long. All of a sudden we heard them interrupt the music to say a plane had struck one WTC tower. Shocked, we sat there, all of us still as could be as we heard the people on the radio say that another plane had flown into the 2nd tower. I could feel us all get white as ghosts. It seemed like time stood still for quite awhile until our supervisor began to cry. After she began, others also teared up, and yet I still found myself to be numb. I seem to go into this mode whenever there is a crisis, like I have to be rock solid steady. It wasn't until that afternoon, after going home from work because we closed early due to what happened, that I found myself glued to the TV screen, flipping channels, listed to a lot of Aaron Brown on CNN, and seeing all that film footage of people hurt, running, jumping, all the devestation, that I broke down and balled.
I was fortunate that I did not see it happen live on the TV, but my husband wasn't so lucky. He watched the 2nd plane crash on live TV. He was 1hr and 45min away from me working up north. I called him on the cell, and begged him to come home. He said he'd be home the next day, he had to finish what they had went up there for.
Anyway, no, I will never forget where I was and what I was doing on that fateful sad day. I pray to God it never happens again, but it is always in the back of my mind that it COULD. It even puts thoughts in my mind, to make sure I have things ready, including myself, to take care of my children in case anything happens in the future. Sounds silly, but I feel strongly that I cannot live in a false sense of security anymore.
The images in my head of the children who lost their parents, and the children who died, the absolute terror on peoples faces as they feared for their lives, tear at my heart with much pain.
mel
BTW, I feel deep sorrow, and yes I cried when the Madrid bombings happened and most recently, the horror at the Russian school. I am not on TV, so how would anyone know how I, as an American, am feeling about these situations abroad? If you want to place blame on ignorance and unsensitivites, the media is always a good outlet...
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Damn Joe, you nailed it on the head with that post.
My sis in law was just startled when I told her about the 300+ killed in the Russian School massacre. What is more than sad is...this is the first she has heard about it.
I'll never forget 9/11. I lived in Collinsville and my downstairs neighbor called me to turn on the TV. He said that a plane had crashed into the WTC. I turned on the TV, was watching when the second plane hit and I literally screamed "Holy Fuck!" Then, as the other incidents were reported, I felt sick to my stomache. I wondered if it would end, or if more and more planes would be crashing. Al-Qaeda's original plan was for 11 airplanes. Thank God that didn't come to fruition.
I'll probably set myself on fire for saying this, but the biggest 9/11 prostitute is George W. Bush!!! I would like to know why he was on 'vacation' practically the whole time he was in office and never paid any attention to the warning signs of a possible attack. I knew the day they announced his election (ripoff) and even told alot of friends, "We're going to war with Iraq."
Hmm. Seems that was an easy prediction. What makes me sick as fuck though is to think that Georgie W manipulated the American people by stating that Iraq was involved with 9/11 and had weapons of mass destruction. Basically, he just needed an excuse to do his fathers bidding and oust Saddam.
Don't get me wrong for a minute. I totally support my country, and our troops who fight every day for us. What I cannot support is a methodical madman who will stop at nothing to justify his careless actions.
I don't care who you are, if you haven't seen "Fahrenheit 9/11" then don't judge or criticize Michael Moore. I watched it, and it confirmed alot of things I already knew, and uncovered more things I didn't know. ALOT of things we have been blinded to.
How many know that the Patriot Act was written long before 9/11? Back when it was written, it was put on the backburner, as they said it was taking too many rights away from Americans. After 9/11, we more than welcomed any change that would make our Country safer.
What really sucks right now is the only two choices we have for a president is a flip-flop wishy washer, or 4 more years of George W Bush's dirty deeds hidden by his smug image.
What is really sad about the recent terrorist activities in Russia is... it gets about 2 minutes of coverage in our media and that is it. Shouldn't we show the same support for other countries who are suffering loss at the hands of madmen?
Okay. I'm done dousing myself with gasoline for whomever wants to throw the first match. However, before you vote this year, and before you criticize Michael Moore, you need to see "Fahrenheit 9/11." You need to see the corruption of our government and how the media maniuplates us. You need to see all of the voters who were ignored and basically disqualified from voting in Florida in 2000. You should hear their appeal to Congress, which basically denied alot of minority groups the right to vote. Michael Moore didn't just make this shit up, he is merely pointing out the facts and proving them with the available evidence.
I'll never forget those who were torn away from their loved ones and families on 9/11. I'll never forget Oklahoma City. I'll never forget Waco.
Let's also not forget the 1'000+ Americans who have given their lives in Afganistan and Iraq.
Okay. I spoke my peace. Fire away!
Carl
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BTW - Those poems were awesome Jim and Zaira.
And KOP - excellent pics!!! The one of the snow angel and fireman choked me up a bit.
Peace,
Carl
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Carl, for you to take this thread of remembrance and turn it into a political rant is just wrong
WTF, man.....  
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