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Scary Kerry - NCH
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« Reply #2 on: Aug 18th, 2004, 9:55pm » |
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« Reply #3 on: Aug 18th, 2004, 10:42pm » |
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on Aug 18th, 2004, 9:55pm, Charlie wrote:
No less infantile than all of the Bush bashing.
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« Reply #4 on: Aug 18th, 2004, 11:20pm » |
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I can see it now, this threads gonna have legs 
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« Reply #5 on: Aug 19th, 2004, 1:26am » |
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Bush bashing pales to insignificance compared to the 310 hours a week of screeching ultra right wing no-nothing so-called entertainers. No contest.
Of course the neo cons have trouble comparing the two war records. It's not a pretty picture: Two rich kids. One went to Nam, one guarded Montgomery, Alabama.
Kerry bashing is predictable: Rarely, if ever, resembles the truth and usually used to gather in single issue social types. Works too.
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Re: Scary Kerry - NCH
« Reply #6 on: Aug 19th, 2004, 1:38am » |
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on Aug 18th, 2004, 11:20pm, JDH wrote:I can see it now, this threads gonna have legs
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Not on my account.....I usually do not even read political threads, and I have no idea why I opened this one. Bored I guess.
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Re: Scary Kerry - NCH
« Reply #7 on: Aug 19th, 2004, 1:44am » |
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You're right.
Do you wanna keep up the ranting?
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« Reply #8 on: Aug 19th, 2004, 2:39pm » |
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Military records should have no bearing on Presidential qualifications. Having served 2 or 4 years in the military 20 or 30 years ago doesn't qualify anyone to be Cammander in Chief.
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« Reply #9 on: Aug 21st, 2004, 1:32am » |
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Hmmmm...let's see.....John Kerry was in Vietnam........while
George W. Bush: Conflict avoided Vietnam.... You know when a guy walks away from a National Guard obligation during wartime and gets away with it, he must come from "a good family." Not that his daddy had anything to do with his getting a Guard slot in the first place - oh, no ...
Richard "Dick" Cheney: During the Vietnam period he says he had "other priorities." You bet he had other priorities. Imagine how early in life you must begin scheming to get away with what this guy has. He was too busy thinking about Halliburton to go fight Charlie.
And speaking of avoiding a conflict..........
Donald "The Don" Rumsfeld: When the shooting started in Korea Rummy here was either 18, or about to turn 18. Not to worry for him, though — he spent the war at Princeton.
How about 'Swift Boat Veterans for Truth': The leader of Swift Boat Veterans is John O’Neill. Who's John O'Neill?
Chuck Colson, Richard Nixon’s hatchet-man, to “create a counterfoil" to Kerry, "found a vet named John O’Neill and formed a group called Vietnam Veterans for a Just Peace" and "had O’Neill meet the President, and we did everything we could do to boost his group.” Republicans have not neglected O’Neill since his service under Nixon. William Rehnquist hired him as a law clerk in the late 1970’s, and George H.W. Bush considered him for a federal judgeship. Why was O'Neill not awarded a judgeship? According to his own PR advisor, he comes off sounding like “a crazed extremist.”
This crap about Kerry serving in Vietnam and being awarded medals is just that, crap. What the fuck difference does it make? The Vietnam War ended for the United States in 1972. We DID NOT lose that war. The United States left Vietnam in 1972. The South fell to the North in 1975. We weren't even there! How the fuck do you lose a war when you're not even there?
I've asked this question before on this board and I'll ask it again..............We know where John Kerry was but, where was George W. Bush during the Vietnam conflict? Why won't anybody here answer this very simple question? Afraid to admit the truth?
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Re: Scary Kerry - NCH
« Reply #10 on: Aug 21st, 2004, 3:47am » |
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Sounds about right. Nixon did look for ways to deal with this. DIdn't work. It's an old pattern.
How about personalizing the election for clusterheads? A vote for the current occupiers is a vote for zero chance helping clusterheads and seniors get drugs without starving the family and selling the dog. They will continue to try to scarce us about "unsafe" Canadian drugs. After all, Ontario has to scrape all the dead Canadians off the streets and out of the way every day. A large percentage of those "unsafe" drugs are made in the U. S. of course. I guess these drugs are safe going north of the border by our drug companies, but they magically become toxic when sent back south across the Niagara River.
Bush: Zero chance for decency in health care and continued pandering to drug companies. We aren't important. After all, the drug companies need billions for "research." Yeah: Viagra.
Kerry: Little but perhaps some chance and at least he thinks our parents should be able to afford the drugs they need.. He will be there to stop the bleeding and the disgusting treatment of us by Bush, Congress, and the drug companies.
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Re: Scary Kerry - NCH
« Reply #11 on: Aug 21st, 2004, 12:44pm » |
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on Aug 21st, 2004, 1:32am, BobG wrote:
I've asked this question before on this board and I'll ask it again..............We know where John Kerry was but, where was George W. Bush during the Vietnam conflict? Why won't anybody here answer this very simple question? Afraid to admit the truth?
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You never saw any VC in Texas at the time did you?
I say kudos to Dubya for keeping Texas safe from the commies 
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Re: Scary Kerry - NCH
« Reply #12 on: Aug 21st, 2004, 1:57pm » |
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You never saw any VC in Texas at the time did you?
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Re: Scary Kerry - NCH
« Reply #13 on: Aug 21st, 2004, 2:25pm » |
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Quote:| George W. Bush: Conflict avoided Vietnam.... You know when a guy walks away from a National Guard obligation during wartime and gets away with it, he must come from "a good family." Not that his daddy had anything to do with his getting a Guard slot in the first place - oh, no ... |
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Which does make him better than Clinton who did what? Protested the war from Europe?
Actually Kerry and Bush come from similar, rich, New England families.
I spent my first few weeks in Nam sitting in the Task Force 116 headquarters while my assignemnt got straightened out (TF116 was river patrol boats, TF115 was swift boats). I spents weeks sitting next to the Awards Officer. I saw plenty of medal recommendations go accross his desk and they looked like they came off a Xerox machine. On such and such a date, while patrolling xxxxxx, so and so came under heavy fire. Hell, it could have one shot from a BB gun and they would have written it up as heavy eney fire. Not to mention that the Navy, being the little boy in Nam, wanted to look good and handed out medals like candy to show they were in the thick of it. I don't mean to take away from the real Navy heros, and there were many, but most every junior officer left Nam with a medal.
For Kerry to hang his hat on his Nam service, and he is the one who stuck it out there as his chief selling point, is disgusting after the way he turned on his fellow men in arms after he came home.
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Re: Scary Kerry - NCH
« Reply #14 on: Aug 21st, 2004, 3:01pm » |
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Bush tried the same tactic on John McCain in the 2000 primaries...insinuating that Senator McCain's years in a P.O.W. camp made him mentally unstable to assume the Presidency.
He even went as far as to get McCain's Vietnam Medical records made public. Even though the records were never made public, G.W. put doubt into the public's mind about McCain's mental stability, which (I believe) cost McCain the Republican nod.
It's a tactic that prevailed in 2000, so of course he'll try it again.
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George Bush's handlers, especially Carl Rove and company, also planted a nasty rumor that McCain fathered an illegitimate black child. Not true. He did adopt a Bangladeshi girl after paying for her medical care. They also said he fathered an illegitimate Cambodian child....while he was in a VC prison. Quite a fella.
They went so far as to question the service of Max McClelland, who came back from Nam missing three limbs. That SC Senate election tactic was criminal.
This kind of stuff makes believing anything from these know-nothing radio screechers and neo-con libelers impossible. If hadn't already left the party because this kind lying and off the wall nastiness, I certainly would have no hesitation now.
Naturally, Dubya says he has nothing to do with this.
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Re: Scary Kerry - NCH
« Reply #16 on: Aug 21st, 2004, 8:46pm » |
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on Aug 21st, 2004, 2:25pm, Bob P wrote:
Which does make him better than Clinton who did what?
Clinton is not running for President. That point is moot.
I saw plenty of medal recommendations go accross his desk and they looked like they came off a Xerox machine. On such and such a date, while patrolling xxxxxx, so and so came under heavy fire.
Yep. I have 2 Army commendation medals, one valor and one meritorious . And I have absolutely no memory of being at the location or dates mentioned in the citation. The latter one arrived at my house 2 years after I left the service. Go figure.
Not to mention that the Navy, being the little boy in Nam, wanted to look good and handed out medals like candy to show they were in the thick of it. That was not limited to the Navy only I don't mean to take away from the real Navy heros, and there were many, but most every junior officer Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines left Nam with a medal.
For Kerry to hang his hat on his Nam service, Kerry never brought it up until the Bush league started harping on it and he is the one who stuck it out there as his chief selling point, is disgusting after the way he turned on his fellow men in arms after he came home.He did not turn on his fellow men in arms. He just spoke about what he had seen and learned from his experience. What did Bush do? Talk about his cheerleader experience? And isn’t it interesting (and convenient) for Bush that his military records can’t be located? |
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And Bob, you being a Vietnam Veteran, you know very well that the Southeast Asia War Games were a total waste of time, lives and money. There was never a reason for the USA to be in Vietnam in the first place.
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Re: Scary Kerry - NCH
« Reply #17 on: Aug 21st, 2004, 8:59pm » |
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Quote:How about personalizing the election for clusterheads? A vote for the current occupiers is a vote for zero chance helping clusterheads and seniors get drugs without starving the family and selling the dog. They will continue to try to scarce us about "unsafe" Canadian drugs. After all, Ontario has to scrape all the dead Canadians off the streets and out of the way every day. A large percentage of those "unsafe" drugs are made in the U. S. of course. I guess these drugs are safe going north of the border by our drug companies, but they magically become toxic when sent back south across the Niagara River.
Bush: Zero chance for decency in health care and continued pandering to drug companies. We aren't important. After all, the drug companies need billions for "research." Yeah: Viagra.
Kerry: Little but perhaps some chance and at least he thinks our parents should be able to afford the drugs they need.. He will be there to stop the bleeding and the disgusting treatment of us by Bush, Congress, and the drug companies. |
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Why does it seem that every nation in the western world gets a freakin' discount when we have to pay full price? These are American drug companies right? Well, most of them are anyway. Shouldn't we be getting the discount and everyone else get to pay full price? I know seniors that struggle every month to get the meds they need and wind up eating unhealthy meals 'cause they can't afford better.
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Re: Scary Kerry - NCH
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True Bob. Shame Kennedy and Johnson got us into it so deeply.
Your comment is actually one thing that Kerry said about Nam on which I agree. I was reading part of "Unfit for Command" the other day and read where Kerry said that joe blow Viet Nam citizen didn't care who was leading the country as long as they weren't dropping bombs in their rice pattys. Those are almost the exact words I put on my personal Nam page years ago.
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Same thing is true with Iraq. It's the few KKK type Islam wackos that make life miserable for so many.
Sigh....nothing is new.
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True Bob. Shame Kennedy and Johnson got us into it so deeply.
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Yep. And Kennedy used the "I'm a war hero" line to help get elected. What's with those fuckin' Navy-types?
And wasn't General President Ike the one that sent his Vice President by the name of Nixon to Viet Nam (about 1954?) to stir up trouble after the French got their butts kicked?
Ditto what Charlie said. Same shit, different country.
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on Aug 21st, 2004, 8:59pm, IndianaJohn wrote:
Why does it seem that every nation in the western world gets a freakin' discount when we have to pay full price? These are American drug companies right? Well, most of them are anyway. Shouldn't we be getting the discount and everyone else get to pay full price? I know seniors that struggle every month to get the meds they need and wind up eating unhealthy meals 'cause they can't afford better.
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I'm staying out of the political stuff this round. The medical crap has me fired up right now.
I.J. I am with you, but it ain't just seniors that can't afford meds. Lots of clusterheads, young and old, are out there doing without, too. These drug company m*th*rf**k*rs have taken the perfectly acceptable idea of making a profit into sleezeball greed orgy. They know the people need the drugs to live and will therefore pay any price to get them. Those of us who can't afford them are inconsequential.
And while we're at it, let's not let the insurance companies off the hook. Insurance is legalized gambling. It is a bet between you and the insurance company that you will not get sick or injured. As long as you are healthy and anteing up every paycheck, things are hunky dorey. As soon as you fall ill with some costly illness, they want to renig on the bet and you have to fight tooth and nail to get the care and drugs you need to keep working to keep paying the ante.
I have long fought against socialized medicine due to concerns over availability and quality of care for patients, but between the drug companies and the insurance companies and the doctors and the hospitals and our legal system that allows the most frivelous of lawsuits without even a snicker, things are getting to the point where I am forced to rethink my position.
Let me shut this puppy down before I get really wound up. Sorry for the length as it is and sorry for temporarily hijacking the thread.
We now return you to our regularly scheduled barroom brawl.
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on Aug 22nd, 2004, 9:22pm, Gator wrote:
I'm staying out of the political stuff this round. The medical crap has me fired up right now.
I.J. I am with you, but it ain't just seniors that can't afford meds. Lots of clusterheads, young and old, are out there doing without, too. These drug company m*th*rf**k*rs have taken the perfectly acceptable idea of making a profit into sleezeball greed orgy. They know the people need the drugs to live and will therefore pay any price to get them. Those of us who can't afford them are inconsequential.
And while we're at it, let's not let the insurance companies off the hook. Insurance is legalized gambling. It is a bet between you and the insurance company that you will not get sick or injured. As long as you are healthy and anteing up every paycheck, things are hunky dorey. As soon as you fall ill with some costly illness, they want to renig on the bet and you have to fight tooth and nail to get the care and drugs you need to keep working to keep paying the ante.
I have long fought against socialized medicine due to concerns over availability and quality of care for patients, but between the drug companies and the insurance companies and the doctors and the hospitals and our legal system that allows the most frivelous of lawsuits without even a snicker, things are getting to the point where I am forced to rethink my position.
Let me shut this puppy down before I get really wound up. Sorry for the length as it is and sorry for temporarily hijacking the thread.
We now return you to our regularly scheduled barroom brawl.
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Hijacked thread or not- damn good post! (Come to think of it, I started this thread)
I worked for one of the major insurance outfits back in the seventies(they loved wildlife). Never knew they had so many lear jets til I worked for them. While boarding, I once asked why they didn't fly their logo? Answer, "We don't advertise our prosperity."
There was a time when there were no big insurance companys, no drug companys, damn few hospitals and doctors. People went to nature to take care of what ailed 'em. I know we live longer today and have many more comforts, but I'm not so sure the quality of life is any better now than it was then.
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Re: Scary Kerry - NCH
« Reply #23 on: Aug 22nd, 2004, 11:55pm » |
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There are things that I dislike about both candidates. I am an independent and usually I am not a deeply political man but here are my 2 cents. These are my concerns…. Sorry I think that I got carried away
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War Record
Their wartime/post wartime antics are both questionable. Yes Kerry did at least show up, but his post war activities had no sense of honor. Bush played the silver spoon card, and that is equally dishonorable. So in my opinion when is comes to their pre political military service, I think they are both asses and were not fit to wear the uniform.
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Illegal Aliens
The fact that we pay educational, health care, housing and other expenses for illegal aliens is fiscally irresponsible. The moral issue is another concern, but when there are tens of thousands of our own citizens that can't afford any of these basic services I am for protecting and nourishing our own first. It does not stop there, with just care and education, but the money that they earn is not spent here, it sent back home, it does not benefit our economy at all.
Bush
Bush proposal is a guest-worker program that would allow current illegal immigrants and foreigners living overseas to apply for a renewable three-year temporary visa. Mr. Bush also proposed increasing the number of green cards issued each year.
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Kerry is not far off from Bush either. Within 100 days of taking office, he would offer citizenship to illegal immigrants who have paid taxes while living here for 5 years and pass a security screening. He said “They’ve played by the rules” Played by the rules? Give me a break. This is worse than Bush.
Both plans are rewarding those who have broken our laws and eroded economic and social programs. Both plans encourage more and more illegal immigration. I am all for legal immigrants, there is no problem there. I have a serious issue with those that take advantage of the opportunities that my country provides for me and my family, ie jobs, health care, and education. This is really a ploy to build a larger voter base that is sympathetic to illegals.
Side note - Those commercials that come on late night that want us to help the starving kids in country XYZ, send $.88 a day. It is not that these kids don't need the support, they do, but where are the commercials that are focused on our own children in the streets starving. Showing those type of commercials are not good PR, it is not a good reflection on the Good O'l USA.
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Re: Scary Kerry - NCH
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Bush's proclaimed tax cuts have as the keystone the elimination of the double taxation of dividends. If this is sure thing great, I think that it is an economic necessity.
America has the most punitive and anti-growth treatment of dividends in the industrialized world. It is not a stretch as to why companies are going overseas to survive. With the elimination of double taxation of dividends there is less incentive to go overseas, that means more economic growth at home and more jobs.
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This does have a down side to it. There will be new competition for the money that now goes to municipal bonds. So states and cities will have to bid higher rates to get what they need to build their schools, court houses and other services. But with corporations going overseas there are less and less funds to tax. So the bond funds are being eroded anyway. It is more economically responsible to have more corporations paying fewer taxes, the fewer corporations paying higher taxes. There needs to be an incentive to do business here in the US. At the least there should not be incentives to leave the US.
There have been 19 tax cuts post WWII, 3 of them have come from Bush - the Economic Growth and Tax Reform Reconciliation Act of 2001, the Job Creation and Workers Assistance Act of 2002, and The Jobs and Growth Tax Relief and Reconciliation Act of 2003.
Kerry
His tax record in the senate is not very middle to lower class friendly. He talks tax payer friendly but his record shows otherwise.
Proposed taxes
| Bush | Kerry | | Capital Gains Tax | 15% | 20% | | Dividend Tax | 15% | 40% | | Income Tax Rate (Highest) | 35% | 40% | | Income Tax Rate (Middle) | 25% | 28% | | Income Tax Rate (Lowest) | 10% | 15% | | Per Child Credit | $1,000 | $500 | | Marriage Penalty Tax | Eliminated | Reinstated | | Death Tax in 2010 | 0% | 55% |
Energy Independence
We can never be energy independent; I think that is a pipe dream. But I think that we seriously need to evaluate our reliance on how tight a hold on the US economy the foreign oil markets have. Half of the oil that the US uses is produced outside of the country. Mostly because it is cheaper right now to buy oil than it is to produce it.
Bush
Bush would make such resources as the oil patch underneath the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and would loosen environmental restrictions on new gas refineries to cut pump prices. Also, the Bush energy plan calls for a $1.2 billion to develop hydrogen-fuel-cell cars. (The Arctic National Wildlife Refuge does not have enough oil to worry about)
Kerry
According to Kerry, energy independence can be achieved through tax credits to encourage investment in clean, renewable sources of energy and other incentives such as manufacturing hybrid cars and credits to motorists that buy them.
Neither Bush’s nor Kerry’s energy plan will make us independent from foreign oil; it will only lessen the reliance some. The only way that we will become independent is to have some technological break through that provides cheaper ways to produce renewable energy resources. Manhattan Project here we come.
Score
Bush .5
Kerry 1
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