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Talk about a headache
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Re: Talk about a headache
« Reply #1 on: Jul 9th, 2004, 9:33am » |
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I am sorry, maybe it is just me, but I do not find the killing of a person, WHOEVER it is, to be enjoyable. I am a super patriot, and will defend this country to my death, but I do not revel in the killing of others. It is just a fact of war, but does not mean that I like it.
Just think, that man, enemy and bastard, I am sure, STILL has a family that will now miss him. I just don't find joy in the killing of a human being.
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Re: Talk about a headache
« Reply #2 on: Jul 9th, 2004, 10:05am » |
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on Jul 9th, 2004, 9:33am, ClusterChuck wrote:I am sorry, maybe it is just me, but I do not find the killing of a person, WHOEVER it is, to be enjoyable. I am a super patriot, and will defend this country to my death, but I do not revel in the killing of others. It is just a fact of war, but does not mean that I like it.
Just think, that man, enemy and bastard, I am sure, STILL has a family that will now miss him. I just don't find joy in the killing of a human being.
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Ditto Chuck.
He "deserved that?" 
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Re: Talk about a headache
« Reply #3 on: Jul 9th, 2004, 10:23am » |
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Well, I am certain he had nothing but nice intentions for that RPG he was aiming.
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Re: Talk about a headache
« Reply #4 on: Jul 9th, 2004, 10:34am » |
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The dude was laying in the street about to RPG our American troops. He was as blatant as he could be. I got no pitty for him. Terrorists can behead our people and broadcast video of them screaming while it is done with a dull knife. Personally, I think this guy died a little too humanely.
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Re: Talk about a headache
« Reply #5 on: Jul 9th, 2004, 10:40am » |
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bbbbbbbbut you're a REVEREND!
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Re: Talk about a headache
« Reply #6 on: Jul 9th, 2004, 10:51am » |
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Doesn't matter, terrorists are evil and need to be dealt with. That's the same reason I believe in the death penalty.
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Re: Talk about a headache
« Reply #7 on: Jul 9th, 2004, 10:52am » |
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He was probably the one with WMDs. Or perhaps with the Al Queda links.
Oh shit... turns out those were both bullshit.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5395999
Yes... it is good to see the US win a skirmish. That said, were we not there under completely false pretenses the lad would not have had a need to be toting an RPG around. He knew that we should not be there, same as the brighter element of the US populace.
Oooo... 1002 US dead in Iraq as of today.
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Re: Talk about a headache
« Reply #8 on: Jul 9th, 2004, 10:57am » |
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If our Commander and Chief would have told me we are going into Iraq simply because Saddam is dangerous and we need to take him out I would have been OK with that.
But he didn't. He lied.
The responsibilty for all deaths in Iraq, American or otherwise falls squarely on his shoulders.
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Re: Talk about a headache
« Reply #9 on: Jul 9th, 2004, 11:00am » |
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on Jul 9th, 2004, 10:51am, RevDeFord wrote:| Doesn't matter, terrorists are evil and need to be dealt with. |
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A insurgent attacking an invading or occupying force is better known as a 'guerilla'. Ones target does not alter ones title to 'terrorist'.
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Re: Talk about a headache
« Reply #10 on: Jul 9th, 2004, 11:05am » |
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Well said Don.
We turned our entire 'war on terrorism' focus to Iraq, which was curiously devoid of terrorist before we destroyed the place.
Oooo... we see here how Osama spent his summer.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/07/08/ridge.alqaeda/index.html
Our gov is such a fucking joke.
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Re: Talk about a headache
« Reply #11 on: Jul 9th, 2004, 11:11am » |
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Quote:Ridge said he had no specific or credible information about threats to the upcoming political conventions. The four-day Democratic convention kicks off July 26 in Boston, Massachusetts, and the Republican National Convention begins August 30 in New York City.
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Well then Tom, when WILL you have that info. ?
Homeland Security. Another joke.
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Re: Talk about a headache
« Reply #12 on: Jul 9th, 2004, 11:11am » |
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Bush did not lie. He acted on information he received from intelligence officials.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,125123,00.html
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« Reply #13 on: Jul 9th, 2004, 11:12am » |
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The key word there Rev. is HIS intelligence officials.
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Re: Talk about a headache
« Reply #14 on: Jul 9th, 2004, 11:22am » |
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Break out the tarps people...
... 'nother thread of shit hitting fans.
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« Reply #15 on: Jul 9th, 2004, 11:30am » |
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I wouldn't go that far but the nucleus of the terrorist activities was and still is in Afghanistan. They seem to have been given a reprieve.
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« Reply #16 on: Jul 9th, 2004, 11:33am » |
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hey Dan, will you cover me? 
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Re: Talk about a headache
« Reply #17 on: Jul 9th, 2004, 11:35am » |
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on Jul 9th, 2004, 11:11am, don wrote:
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ummmm......probably immediately after if happens.
And speaking of Osama bin Laden, whatever became of that guy?
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Re: Talk about a headache
« Reply #18 on: Jul 9th, 2004, 11:36am » |
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on Jul 9th, 2004, 11:22am, Big Dan wrote:Break out the tarps people...
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Aye Dan. This is another thread that I will look at while eating my lunch but keep to myself. I like to hear all of the sides, but I fail to see the point to it at this juncture in time. We have men and women over there fighting and dying. Those people need to be supported. The reason that they were sent over there is a mute point.
Rev, I understand your sentimates. But I think that there are many people who are taken back by the fact that you are so stauntch in those beliefs while being a Reverand.
I know that I am doing exactly what I said I would not do, but... Rev, how can you judge a person for what he is taught from birth to be right? There is a quote from literature (I am paraphrasing not quoting as I dont have it in front of me) ... If you suffer your childern to be ill educated, and then punish them for what thier education has taught them to do. Then does it not make sence that you are the one creating the problem?
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Re: Talk about a headache
« Reply #19 on: Jul 9th, 2004, 11:36am » |
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on Jul 9th, 2004, 11:33am, Melissa wrote:| hey Dan, will you cover me? |
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Hell no.
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Re: Talk about a headache
« Reply #20 on: Jul 9th, 2004, 11:43am » |
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Dude, I mean cover me with the tarp, I don't feel like taking another shower yet this month.  Besides, I for one, won't be partaking in talk which I hear about constatnly from the tv, my opening excite page and my fucking in laws. 
(btw, you're pretty dense on subliminal messages, arn't ya?  )
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Re: Talk about a headache
« Reply #22 on: Jul 9th, 2004, 12:08pm » |
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When I answered Rev's original post, I was NOT commenting on the war, or if we should be there or not. I do not appreciate that someone may be "gloating" over the death of a person. And I am not saying the Rev is, or anyone else here is.
We are at war, or whatever anyone wants to call it. I know that death is a result of that. I just don't want anyone to take death lightly, regardless who it is.
Yes, that man was firing at someone, maybe us. Yes, he needed to be stopped. Yes, maybe the only way to stop him, was by killing him. But I, for one, will NOT cheer his death.
I was in the service during 'Nam. I saw death. I have read about it in every global conflict since then. But I will not cheer those deaths.
I am scared to death this will be another long drawn out conflict. I just hope that, unlike 'Nam, the politicians will let the MILITARY fight this, not the POLITICIANS. The military is trained to do this. If they (the government) insist that our men be there, LET THEM DO WHAT THEY ARE TRAINED FOR! Don't send them, and then tie their hands behind their backs, as they did in 'Nam! Let's win this, and GET THE HELL OUT OF THERE!
Again, my original comment: Please don't cheer at the death of a human being. Life is too precious for that.
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Re: Talk about a headache
« Reply #23 on: Jul 9th, 2004, 12:18pm » |
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The only thing I can think of in Afghanistan is that we have them surrounded in the mountainous region and they will eventually starve to death. I know we tightened things down to a several square mile area that is just too hard to navigate effectively.
Our forces are still there. They are still working. They are still protecting the new government.
I sure wish we would get Bin Laden though. Man, can you imagine what their network of caves must be like? I wonder how many of them are natural caves, and how many of them were man made. And if they were manmade, how in the world..........
I probably shouldn't have posted the video, and I do not take lightly that this guy died. It just looks like justice to me.
The same people that will say he is justified in using that RPG are the same people that try to justify what terrorists did to us on 9/11. There is no justification. Our troops are there for a noble cause. And the majority of the people of Iraq, though concerned, are optimistic things will improve.
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Re: Talk about a headache
« Reply #24 on: Jul 9th, 2004, 12:39pm » |
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on Jul 9th, 2004, 12:18pm, RevDeFord wrote:
The same people that will say he is justified in using that RPG are the same people that try to justify what terrorists did to us on 9/11. There is no justification. |
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You're right there is no justification for 911 but wtf did this Iraqi insurgent or as you might say, terrorist have to do with 9/11?
Wouldn't you be fighting back if this country were occupied by a foreign force?
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