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justin
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i was awak all night and mind wandered. could stem cell research help us? prob not huh? my head hurts. worst time of year. just venting.
depakote, neurontin, verapamil combo, not working now. usually does. running low on imitrex. trip to neuro for freebies is necessary. ..... pray for pfd's
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Re: stem cell
« Reply #1 on: Jun 15th, 2004, 2:20pm » |
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Sorry to read that you are having a rough visit from the beast.
I hate it when the meds quit working, the mutant bastard that he is loves it however.
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Re: stem cell
« Reply #2 on: Jun 15th, 2004, 2:26pm » |
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Vibes...!!!
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Re: stem cell
« Reply #3 on: Jun 15th, 2004, 2:32pm » |
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Geez, that sucks, man. Prevents quit working and running low on aborts. I hope you can het some help soon. Prayers and vibes going out for you.
Don't know of any stem cell research with ch. Doesn't mean there isn't any, though.
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Re: stem cell
« Reply #4 on: Jun 15th, 2004, 2:35pm » |
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VIBES going up hun. Keep us posted please!!!
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In the long run, I think stem cell research will be very useful - maybe not for clusters, but in general for medicine. In the short to medium term, it is being hyped.
The idea that we can inject or transplant foreign cells into our bodies, and that they will stay put and do what we want (without going berserk, without being killed by our own immune system) is pretty far fetched. Maybe someday. But stem cells help us understand many biological processes that would otherwise be difficult or impossible to study. So they are already very valuable for that reason alone.
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Quote:| Bush has banned it from extending from the strains that we already have ( I think there are 64). |
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The real number of stem cell lines for implanting in humans is much lower than that given by the government - it is zero. Some of the stem cell lines that were certified 'morally correct' have gone bad - their vigor has declined. All of them have been exposed to living mouse cells, raising the possibility that they harbor viruses (and making them unsuitable for medical use).
Smaller countries have flown past the US in this area - S. Korea is kicking the US vigorously with a size 12 steel-toe boot when it comes to stem cell research!!
Quote:BALTIMORE, Nov. 11 - A medical ethics panel said Monday it would be unethical and risky to treat people with the embryonic stem cells approved by President Bush for federally funded research. The approved cell lines, created for possible future disease treatments, were initially grown on mouse cells. That could expose humans to an animal virus their immune systems couldn’t fight, the panel said. The experts said that safer stem cell lines now exist, but those would not be eligible for federal funding.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3475888/
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Just because universities and hospitals that receive federal funding are severely limited doesn't mean our friends at the pharmaceutical companies can do their own research. It might cost each Alzheimer's patient an extra ten thousand dollars, but think of the satisfaction the average citizen gets from knowing their tax money doesn't support evil stem cell research.  Oh, wait - most Americans support stem cell research 
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Re: stem cell
« Reply #8 on: Jun 15th, 2004, 4:06pm » |
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 Try with Lithium. Brave and strong......... think about this: if tomorrow will be worse than today, you will regret this day.... and this is not good, we need to be always ready to the worst events.... fight the beast... you're not alone!
Forgot, nice to meet you and welcome home, I’m so very sorry that you have to deal with this fucking headaches they can be very debilitating... I hope that you’ll have a short cycle and a very long remission....
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A breakdown on who supports and opposes stem cell research. Sorry for the crappy formatting, I don't have time to mess with table definition tags.
Support Oppose
Religion:
Evangelical white Protestants 50% 40
White Catholics 54 35
Non-evangelical white Protestants 70 18
Ideology:
Conservatives 44% 44
Moderates 63 26
Liberals 76 14
Politics:
Republicans 49% 37
Independents 62 26
Democrats 65 27
Abortion:
Legal (favor) 76% 15
Illegal (oppose) 39 50
Race:
Whites 60% 29
Blacks 48 44
http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/poll010626.html
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Re: stem cell
« Reply #10 on: Jun 15th, 2004, 4:33pm » |
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| Al Gore (Democrat) | 50,999,897 | 48.38% | | George W. Bush (Republican) | 50,456,002 | 47.87% |
Stop aruging with your president over this issue.. He won his position in a (perfectly) legal manner. He's doing nothing more than what the American people want him to do.
He has a mandate.
Just ask him,
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Re: stem cell
« Reply #11 on: Jun 15th, 2004, 4:57pm » |
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Justin,
Here's some painfree VIBES to you. May your cycle be short, and may your trip for freebies be fast!
Hang in there.
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Re: stem cell
« Reply #12 on: Jun 15th, 2004, 5:06pm » |
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OK, I don't want to start anything here, but "morally correct" stem cells?
Here's to open research on stem cells, (I'm keeping my mouth shut, barely) and may a cure be found for CH and other debilitating illnesses and conditions.
Pain free to you all!!
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Re: stem cell
« Reply #13 on: Jun 15th, 2004, 5:28pm » |
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on Jun 15th, 2004, 4:33pm, Mr. Happy wrote:| Al Gore (Democrat) | 50,999,897 | 48.38% | | George W. Bush (Republican) | 50,456,002 | 47.87% |
Stop aruging with your president over this issue.. He won his position in a (perfectly) legal manner. He's doing nothing more than what the American people want him to do.
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That was the popular vote. The electoral college vote elected Bush. It's also not the first time in history this has happened. In this case, every major liberal organization and media outlet in the country went down to Florida and recounted the vote. Bush won every time.
That is also why I wonder at the necessity of an electoral college. With today's technology, it would be possible to elect an official based on the popular vote of the people in a timely manner. Some say it has more today to do with balancing the scales beween the parties and making sure states with smaller populations have a voice. I think the whole process is outdated and I personally don't see the need for it any longer.
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Re: stem cell
« Reply #15 on: Jun 15th, 2004, 6:43pm » |
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If there's a chance that stem cell research could help with any disease, then I'm for letting the nice government fund it. I'd lot rather see them working on curing diseases than studying the mating habits of the tse tse fly. Makes a whole lot more sense.
And while they're at it -- they need to overhaul the whole damn medical/insurance industry that they've gotten totally screwed up. Let the doctors get back to practicing medicine instead of insurance. But that's another thread isn't it.
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Re: stem cell
« Reply #16 on: Jun 15th, 2004, 6:50pm » |
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Justin im sorry your getting hit so bad....PF vibes to you from me wish I could do more. Any kind of research for CH's is good research as far as im concerned, as for stem cells in particular I don't know but Floridian... stem cells are not foreign cell they are the basis of life itself and stem cells don't get rejected because of the very nature of themselves........but hey for a minute you really sounded intelligent...
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Re: stem cell
« Reply #17 on: Jun 15th, 2004, 9:32pm » |
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Wait a minute here! Who are we kidding? Stem cell research is a rare and very select area of research. Do you really think they would waste it on a worthless cause like us?
Maybe by the time of my great great grandchildren ... That is if my kids ever figure out how to make babies ...
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Quote:| stem cells are not foreign cell they are the basis of life itself and stem cells don't get rejected because of the very nature of themselves........but hey for a minute you really sounded intelligent.. |
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Um, stem cells are like an organ transplant. The short to medium term vision is to culture cells from umbelical cells of a fetus, and convince those cells to change into nerve cells, pancreas, or whatever, and then put them in you or me. There is a very good chance that they will be recognized as 'foreign' by the immune system. The immune system can be supressed with certain drugs, but even then, organ rejection occurs. In an ideal world, they would take a persons own cells, turn them into stem cells, then transplant those. In the near future, it is more likely that those pancreas and nerve cells will be derrived from umbelical cells (not yours or mine).
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Re: stem cell
« Reply #19 on: Jun 15th, 2004, 9:47pm » |
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Churches and Washington use this as a hot button issue to distract us from real issues. This is the kind of shit we have to deal with I guess. Silly idiots.
Stem cell research may very well help us but it won't be high on the list of priorities. 
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As a catholic they don't want me to support it. As a parent I wish more than anything it would continue.
I have a son who was born with a rare anomoly (sp) and some of his internal make up was outside the body, therefore all was destroyed during the pregnancy due to the rapid growth of the fetis in the first 20 weeks.
I believe Bush or Clinton took the funding away because somehow this is associated with cloning. And in order to stop that, they had to stop the research on stem cell. But there are other Country's that are continuing the research, I believe France is one of them, so our prayers are with them. I've seen what they've done with research on this before they haulted it, it was unbelievable. Hopefully someday my son will be complete.
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Re: stem cell
« Reply #21 on: Jun 16th, 2004, 1:24am » |
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on Jun 16th, 2004, 12:54am, Sean_C wrote: As a parent I wish more than anything it would continue.
I've seen what they've done with research on this before they haulted it, it was unbelievable. Lotsa love
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Your son is very much the reason there are some are dedicated to stem cells. If something can be done, it needs to continue. I really hope Collin can see that day soon Sean.  Undifferentiated cells can be made into anything. I do not believe they have divided four times yet.
Collin deserves that hope. Best to you Sean, your family.
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Thanks Kev, I appeciate it I really do. We pray daily believe me.
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Re: stem cell
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on Jun 16th, 2004, 12:54am, Sean_C wrote:I believe Bush or Clinton because of ignorant religious bigots that make up a very large voting block took the funding away because somehow this is associated with cloning. And in order to stop that, they had to stop the research on stem cell. Hopefully someday my son will be complete. I'm not a religious bigot.......I pray for Collin.
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Re: stem cell
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Quote:Posted by: BobG Posted on: Today at 00:38:51
on 06/15/04 at 23:54:11, Sean_C wrote:I believe Bush or Clinton because of ignorant religious bigots that make up a very large voting block took the funding away because somehow this is associated with cloning. And in order to stop that, they had to stop the research on stem cell. Hopefully someday my son will be complete. I'm not a religious bigot.......I pray for Collin.
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Sean & Bob,
I, too think we should be leading the stem cell research. The potential is too great no to. We are supposedly an enlightened culture. What are these people afraid of?
I have lost all patience with the so-called "Moral Majority" and the "Bible Belt" mentality. These people who know so much better than I do what is good for me pi$s me off. I hate it that someone esle thinks they can dictate to me what I can read, watch, hear and do. These narrow minded people are keeping our medical research in the dark ages and keeping people in the bonds of religious slavery.
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