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Political - Got this in an Email - is it real?
« on: Jun 1st, 2004, 7:29pm » |
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I got this and in reading it I became very courious if the comments made in this are true of not. Not wanting to start yet another political debate, but just want to know if these statements are true or false. I KNOW what to expect from W in the next 4 years if he is elected... I want to get a feel for Kerry.
-Tia
Email was entitled Letter to Senator Kerry -
Dear Senator Kerry:
Since it has become clear that you will probably be the Democratic nominee for President, I have spent a great deal of time researching your war record and your record as a professional politician. The reason is simple, you aspire to be the Commander in Chief who would lead my sons and their fellow soldiers in time of war. I simply wanted to know if you possess the necessary qualifications to be trusted in that respect. You see, I belong to a family of proud U.S. veterans. I was a Captain in the Army Reserve, my father was a decorated Lieutenant in World War II; and I have four sons who have either served, or are currently serving in the military. The oldest is an Army Lieutenant still on active duty in Afghanistan after already being honored for his service in Iraq. The youngest is an E-4 with the military police. His National Guard unit just finished their second tour of active duty, including six months in Guantanamo Bay. My two other sons have served in the national guard and the navy. In looking at your record I found myself comparing it not only to that of my father and my sons, but to the people they served with. My father served with the 87th Chemical Mortar Battalion in Europe. They landed on Utah Beach and fought for 317 straight days including the Cherbourg Peninsula, Aachen, the Hurtgen Forest, and the Battle of the Bulge. You earned a Silver Star in Vietnam for chasing down and finishing off a wounded and retreating enemy soldier. My father won a Bronze Star for single handily charging and knocking out a German machine gun nest that had his men pinned down. You received three purple hearts for what appears to be three minor scratches. In fact you only missed a combined total of two days of duty for these wounds. The men of my father's unit, the 87th, had to be admonished by their commanding officer because: "It has been brought to our attention that some men are covering up wounds and refusing medical attention for fear of being evacuated and permanently separated from this organization..." It was also a common problem for seriously wounded soldiers to go AWOL from hospitals in order to rejoin their units. You used your three purple hearts to leave Vietnam early.
My oldest boy came home from Iraq with numerous commendations and then proceeded to volunteer to go to Afghanistan and from there back to Iraq again. My sons and father have never had anything but the highest regard and respect for their fellow soldiers. Yet, you came home to publicly charge your fellow fighting men with being war criminals and to urge their defeat by the enemy. You even wrote a book that had a cover which mocked the heroism of the U.S. Marines who raised the flag on Iwo Jima. Our current crop of soldiers has a philosophy that no one gets left behind; and they have practiced that from Somalia to the battlefields of the Middle East. Yet as chairman of a Senate committee looking into allegations that many of your fellow servicemen had been left behind as prisoners in Vietnam, you chose to defend the brutal Vietnamese regime. You even went so far as to refer to the families of the POWs and MIAs as Professional malcontents, conspiracy mongers, con artists, and dime-store Rambos.
As a Senator you voted against the 1991 Gulf War, and have repeatedly voted against funds to supply our troops with the best equipment, and against money to improve our intelligence capability. I find this particularly ironic since as a Presidential candidate you are highly critical of our pre-war intelligence in Iraq. However, you did vote to authorize the President to go to war, but have since proceeded to do everything you can to undermine the efforts of our government and our troops to win. Is this what our fighting men and women can expect of you if you are their Commander in Chief? Will you gladly send them to war, only to then aid the enemy by undermining the morale of our troops and cutting off the weapons they need to win?
Our country is at war Senator, and as has been the case in every war since the American Revolution, a member of my family is serving their country during the war. Now you want me to trust you to lead my sons in this fight.
Sorry Senator, but when I compare your record to those who have fought and died for this nation, and are currently fighting and dying, the answer is not just no, but Hell No!
Sincerely,
Michael Connelly February 14, 2004 Dallas, Texas
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Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real?
« Reply #1 on: Jun 1st, 2004, 7:32pm » |
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it is real political, I have yet to get a real feel for a political candidate, there publicity machines pump out to much BS to see clearly
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Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real?
« Reply #2 on: Jun 1st, 2004, 7:36pm » |
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I dunno if its real...but it makes fer a real good argument I'm thinkin.
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Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real?
« Reply #3 on: Jun 1st, 2004, 7:37pm » |
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True - and I dont have the time to wade throught it all to see who or what is facts and or fiction. I figure there appear to be enough people who are versed on the bandwagons that they can read the letter about and qualify what was said.
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Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real?
« Reply #4 on: Jun 1st, 2004, 7:38pm » |
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According to Snopes, the veracity of the email is unable to be determined at this time. Check out the last item in the link below:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/kerry.asp
I know what to expect from both Bush and Kerry... same difference. Good thing there are other alternatives.
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« Reply #5 on: Jun 1st, 2004, 7:41pm » |
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well honestly, the description of John Kerry's war record in that letter was not bad, the writer was just comparing it to incredible war stories, I think Bush would look much worse compared to those. As far as the voting the Kerry did in Congress, those guys many times have to vote in crazy ways, it is the way politics works in the house and senate. That is why it is SO hard for congressmen to get elected President. Dole faced the same crap when he ran.
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« Reply #6 on: Jun 1st, 2004, 7:47pm » |
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You're right John.
The problem is pork and special interests.
Both parties are very guilty.
It's time for a MAJOR congressional overhaul.
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« Reply #7 on: Jun 1st, 2004, 7:49pm » |
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The other day the headline on the front page of one of the two biggest newspapers in Boston was "Senator Flip-Flop does it again", We know the real John Kerry up here.
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Edit: Just to be fair....Bush aint no brain surgeon himself but I do believe most of Tia's post having lived here in Boston all my life and seen the real Kerry.
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on Jun 1st, 2004, 7:49pm, jonny wrote:was "Senator Flip-Flop does it again", We know the real John Kerry up here.
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well shit if everyone in that area feels that way, it will come out and maybe Bush will win again. Last election I thought it did not matter who won, but since then i have realized that the only area that the President is not tempered by congress and the judicial branch is international relations and he has the power to totally fuck that up. I live in Florida, I voted for him last time, and I always figured I may have been one of 300 votes that put him over the edge.  I won't be doing that again. Maybe in four more years I will be singing the same song with Kerry, but I am very, very uncomfortable with the state of US international relations and I just cannot take it any longer.
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on Jun 1st, 2004, 7:29pm, Tiannia wrote:"It has been brought to our attention that some men are covering up wounds and refusing medical attention for fear of being evacuated and permanently separated from this organization..."
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Would you trust anyone who did this to be a sane and responsible leader? The guy can't win with some people.
If three purple hearts sends you home, go home - military equivalent of term limits. As I've said before, if you think he didn't deserve them, take it up with the military.
Remember, while this macho crap may go down well domestically, it worries the shit out of many of us in distant parts, especially when our leaders are poodles to yours.
(I know it's none of my business, and I don't know all the details, but it gets presented in such a polarised and simplistic way, where logic flies out of the window.)
A confused foreigner...
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Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real?
« Reply #10 on: Jun 1st, 2004, 9:07pm » |
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Oh these political threads...
All I'm gonna say is that anyone can spin any information any way they want to push peoples buttons and get a reaction. The comments made in this letter about what Kerry went through are not from first hand knowledge. Where did the writer get the info? And it's not necessarily what the facts are in a letter like this, it's how they are presented. You can't compare the way a war was fought 40 years ago to how it is fought today (think media).
Do you believe everything you read?
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Email for Dummies.....
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Whatever the truth factor of Kerry's military service record may be........it still beats the SNOT out of anything GW ever did for his country, or should one say.....DIDN'T DO, militarily speaking.
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Re: Political - Got this in an Email - is it real?
« Reply #12 on: Jun 1st, 2004, 9:51pm » |
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Why don't we look at GWs war record? oops, there isn't one . . .
In our opinion, it comes down to making better bad choices . . .and for us, another 4 years with GW would hurt more than it would help . . .
*positive light and energy*
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on Jun 1st, 2004, 9:18pm, Mr. Happy wrote:Whatever the truth factor of Kerry's military service record may be........it still beats the SNOT out of anything GW ever did for his country, or should one say.....DIDN'T DO, militarily speaking.
Victory or and Death,
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I agree.
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on Jun 1st, 2004, 9:18pm, Mr. Happy wrote:Whatever the truth factor of Kerry's military service record may be........it still beats the SNOT out of anything GW ever did for his country, or should one say.....DIDN'T DO, militarily speaking.
Victory or and Death,
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'nuff said Hap
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Jonny is right, they did post that on the front page. I wasn't surprised when Kerry stated he wasn't going to accept his nomination at the Democratic Convention in Boston in July. Why would he do something that would benefit his home state. He recanted under obvious pressures of his fellow Democratic peers. I honestly think he's a piece of shit. Leader........no fuckin' way. Follower.........absafuckinlutely.
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Email _This_........
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Ay God, Sean....it's great to finally throw darts at one another.
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Pure election year bullshit. Tell you what:
Let's stack up George Bush's military record with that of John Kerry.
There are blog after blog full of this shit. waste of time.
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The stuff about the POW MIA's is true. Kerry and Hanoi Jane were real good buddies.
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on Jun 2nd, 2004, 8:33am, thomas wrote:| The stuff about the POW MIA's is true. Kerry and Hanoi Jane were real good buddies. |
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you think? 
http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/kerry2.asp
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on Jun 2nd, 2004, 9:02am, JDH wrote:
Didn't know anything about that mock-up photo. But thanks cool link.
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Bob, it seems to be a fairly balanced board, and the opinion of Kerry seems to be tepid, at best. Far more interesting are the comments concerning the Patriot Act. FYI, the images of Kerry with Hanoi Jane are both false. Check Snopes.
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Yep. That's why I make no comment on the posts. Figured everyone could read them for themselves.
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on Jun 2nd, 2004, 9:49am, Jeepgun wrote:Bob, it seems to be a fairly balanced board, and the opinion of Kerry seems to be tepid, at best. Far more interesting are the comments concerning the Patriot Act. FYI, the images of Kerry with Hanoi Jane are both false. Check Snopes.
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no the one that Thomas showed according to Snopes is true.
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my only question about the pic, is where the hell is Kerry. I dont see him and you would think that a face as long as his would be easy to spot. Is he the one that looks like he has not shaved in 3 years?
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