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I believe dyslexia could be one cause for cluster
« on: May 13th, 2004, 4:38pm » |
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Good afternoon, My name is Jim and before you ask, no, I do not have cluster headaches, but from working on dyslexia and it's causes and effects, I believe the two can be related in at least some cases.
What follows is but a small portion of all I have written on the subject of dyslexia, but this site will not permit me to post it in its entirety.
It is very likely that some people with milder forms of dyslexia create more connections within the brain.
I'm willing to bet that because of the many factors involved, dyslexic individuals that are pressed very hard, develop what is known as cluster headaches, because they overdevelop the connections within the brain and possibly create a feedback in many ways, eye strain being one of the major factors.
Some or most of these people will be brilliant in many ways.
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Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
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I'm nto dislexic rea u Nucking futz
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Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
« Reply #2 on: May 13th, 2004, 4:48pm » |
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Actually, I would like to her more on this too.
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Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
« Reply #3 on: May 13th, 2004, 4:51pm » |
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on May 13th, 2004, 4:42pm, BobG wrote:Hey Jim,
Huh? Please explain a little more. |
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The only way I can help others to see what I do is to make 4 or 5 posts in a row, to get my full reasoning behind dyslexia and then if people are still interrested, questions and answers may be in order, if sufferers choose.
Thanks for asking and I hope I can be helpful.
I would add, that there are many that suffer from milder forms of dyslexia, but I also believe, that dyslexia, like cluster headaches go from mild to severe. I believe I can offer some things to think about, not that they are right.
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Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
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Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
« Reply #5 on: May 13th, 2004, 4:55pm » |
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on May 13th, 2004, 4:48pm, Bob P wrote:Rallying cry:
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Dyslexia, it's Causes and possible Manifestations, By Jim Ryan
I will be kind of brief.
My wife has a daughter. That daughter is right handed naturally, from what I know. She married a left handed man. They had 3 children, 2 were girls and one was a boy. The father spent a whole lot more time teaching his son than he did his daughters from what I observed, in speach and action. This young man grew up as a left handed individual. He is the second oldest. The first child born was a girl, and she presents as a naturally right handed individual, that is very coordinated, very strong, and very intelligent. She is an A student. This family started out in New York, so my wife and I had little contact, until the family moved to Florida. Once settled here, they had a new baby girl, I call her shugie. She presented as being what we all consider as normal. We had fairly close contact with the family, from there on out, until the parents seperated. At that time, they came to live with us.
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Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
« Reply #6 on: May 13th, 2004, 4:55pm » |
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I took much time and pleasure, in teaching shugie about everything I could, in the best possible terms. At that time, she was just starting to read, write, and color. Coloring and many other things supplied by her loving grandmother, my wife.
At that time, I started to notice that when reaching for things, there seemed to be a slight hesitation in respect to which hand she should grasp an object. I also noticed that when she wrote some of her letters, they were written backward.
I also observed how shugie would write, right handed, but she positioned the paper as a left handed person would. Since I observed these situations in their formative stages I decided not to make drastic changes and instead, I started to get her to learn to write with her left hand, and perform other things with her left hand, in an effort to help balance her body and mind conservatively. I carefully told her of some of the things I saw and why, so that she could understand what was probably caused by a right handed mother that loved her very much, teaching a naturally left handed child, without realizing her daughter was born right hemisphere dominate, or in other terms, left handed. When refering to right hemisphere and left hemisphere, I am speaking of brain function. Right hemisphere dominance, usually manifests itself in left handed children, while left hemisphere dominance, manifests itself as right handed children, unless Dyslexia forms.
Speaking to a friend, she tells me of a form of dyslexia she has and explained that both of her parents are right handed. When I asked if she had any in her family in previous generations that were left handed, she did not know.
In the vast majority taught, as we consider sound teaching, left handed children tend to base their balance on the right side of their body, while right handed children tend to balance their body, on the left side.
The strongest power for the right handed individual, comes from the right side, as the left side stabilizes and retains posture, for the needed power to be supplied, to the extent the individual wishes. These same principles apply in kind to the opposing handed person.
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Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
« Reply #7 on: May 13th, 2004, 4:56pm » |
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There are any number of connections that can be made from one part of the brain tot he other. But I seriously doubt that there is a connection between the Hypothalmus and Dyslexia ( or some other mis wiring between the eye and the mind )
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Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
« Reply #8 on: May 13th, 2004, 4:56pm » |
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Now, if someone were to teach a normally left handed child, without realizing that child was left handed, the teacher or parent, would be confusing normal body mechanics, and creating instibility in balance, form, and power, causing the child to be forever off balance, seemingly uncoordinated and a loss of physical strength as well.
Some of the consequences from this situation will undoubtedly lead to differing emotional stresses thruout the childs lifetime.
I once stumbled onto a person speaking on cluster headaches and they said the medical community did not understand what was causing them either.When considering what I believe, I think it possible that cluster headaches could bear a connection to dyslexia.
The study I would suggest to help prove or disprove a link to cluster headaches and what I present on Dyslexia, is to question all the affected persons within those families, to see if there were both right and left handed lineages.
Right and left handed lineages may alternate with each new generation, or possibly skip several generations and then, suddenly appear.
One of the first things to test for each child born, when they first start grasping, is to make special notice of which hand the child normally starts to grasp with and closely observe over time in pursuit of their naturally dominate instints.
Only mothers will know if what I present below, with dyslexic children, happened to them.
Annonamous sends this within his email from the Dyslex association.
"Bunches of cells beneath the surface of the brain have been detected which lie on the surface in the brain of a non-dyslexic person. These groups of cells ought to have moved to the brain's surface at the time when the brain was developing in the fetus, but failed to make the journey."
In response to the above posed by annonamous from the dyslexic association, I offer this. I am naturally right handed. My favorite side of the body to sleep on is my left side. If my theory is correct, left handed people should favor sleeping on their right side.
Scientists may not have considered that since we have a favored side of the brain and body, we all may need to sleep on a certain side of the body more when we are in the womb, so that those cells migrate from under the brain, to the top of the brain, as are seen in normal children, but where dyslexic children with severe problems do not have those cells on top of the brain, but rather they still reside underneath the brain. I believe these cells have alot to do with many systems working correctly within the body, such as balance, muscle coordination, and balance within the two sides of the brain, which will also affect eyesight, if I am correct. These problems will possible cause cluster headaches, which scientists don't understand.
It is just possible, that if what I say is true above and we have that dominate side in sleep, it may be possible that in some cases, if the right handed mother sleeps on the opposing side as the fetus, it could possibly cause the mother a lot of restless nights due to the baby moving and kicking, while she tries to force herself to sleep on her natural side, which will stop those cells from rising to the top of the brain, because the cells that start out under the brain for a right and left handed child are on opposing sides. So, If the fetus does not sleep on the correct side enough, those cells probably won't rise to the top of the brain as they should.
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Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
« Reply #9 on: May 13th, 2004, 4:56pm » |
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Well, maybe... A scan of the literature didn't show much of a connection between the hypothalamus (central to cluster headaches) and dyslexia (usually associated with the brain cortex and possibly the cerebellum). One article that was interesting found a link between dyslexia and low magnesium and ubiquinone (CoQ10). Magnesium has been shown to help with clusters, and there are some suggestions that CoQ10 may also be of use.
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Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
« Reply #10 on: May 13th, 2004, 4:57pm » |
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I would suggest if a mother has a lot of restless nites, that she switch her normal sleeping side, and see if that helps, if one of the parents is right handed and the other parent is left handed.
It is possible that some mothers naturally sleep on their opposing side when the child is so restless and dislexia was avoided, because the child in the womb had enough time in the proper fetal position, so that like a cup filled with air, that is underneath water, the air bubbles rise to the surface and when considering the cells that start out underneath a childs brain as a fetus, those cells rise to the top of the brain, if enough time is allowed , by a mother who sleeps on her opposing natural side, if the mother and father are opposing handed and the fetus is opposing handed from the mother.
Mothers who are Dyslexic, may or may not tend to sleep on the right or wrong side, depending and if THEY have a baby, the confusion set up by the mothers own sleep may intensify within the next generation, if she sleeps on the wrong side, depending.
It would be nice to know if the cells spoken of can migrate partially, or wheather they always remain either fully under, or fully on top. Can these cells move to the edge?
Are these cells on opposing sides of the brain, in right and lefthanded children?
There is so much more I would like to discuss with people who have dyslexia and their children, as well as families who have both a mother and father who are opposing handed.
This is but theory.
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Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
« Reply #11 on: May 13th, 2004, 5:03pm » |
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How many people who suffer from cluster headaches have had a brain scan, to see the amount and configuration of connections within the brain and had that matched to say someone who does not suffer from cluster headaches?
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Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
« Reply #12 on: May 13th, 2004, 5:41pm » |
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on May 13th, 2004, 4:51pm, Boy_Scout wrote:
I would add, that there are many that suffer from milder forms of dyslexia, but I also believe, that dyslexia, like cluster headaches go from mild to severe.. |
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Um.............. I dont think there is a MILD form of clusters, is there??????????
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Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
« Reply #13 on: May 13th, 2004, 5:42pm » |
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My apologies, I do not have it, so I could not know.
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Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
« Reply #14 on: May 13th, 2004, 5:48pm » |
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While it is probable that many of you know, I would add, that people who suffer from this disorder, replicate these headaches, because of not only the stresses set up that cause the headaches, but the worry of having to take time off while work piles up.
My apologies if I am out of line when I am wrong or incorrect. I mean only to help.
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Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
« Reply #15 on: May 13th, 2004, 5:49pm » |
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We did a poll on Ambidextrous clusterheads once. I am to some degree. I forgot the conclusion. I know this isn't dyslexia.
I do know that I and a lot of us have better than average hearing.
Interesting thread.
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Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
« Reply #16 on: May 13th, 2004, 5:50pm » |
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Apology accepted, as you don't know let me tell you THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS MILD CLUSTERHEADACHES apart from that let me add, we often get complete fruit boxes here among us, fortunatley for you we won't hold it against you im sure if you stick around long enough someone will point you in the fruit box direction...in the meantime hi and goodbye....
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Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
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on May 13th, 2004, 5:49pm, Charlie wrote:We did a poll on Ambidextrous clusterheads once. I am to some degree. I forgot the conclusion. I know this isn't dyslexia.
I do know that I and a lot of us have better than average hearing.
Interesting thread.
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How about eye sight Charlie? How many of you have or need glasses and at what age did each need them. How much is eye strain mentioned.
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Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
« Reply #18 on: May 13th, 2004, 5:54pm » |
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......hey Boy_Scout there is one thing that dyslexics and clusterheads have in common ....a hole in their backsides thought i'd share that with you, so you can add it to your notes....
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Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
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on May 13th, 2004, 5:50pm, cathy wrote:| Apology accepted, as you don't know let me tell you THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS MILD CLUSTERHEADACHES apart from that let me add, we often get complete fruit boxes here among us, fortunatley for you we won't hold it against you im sure if you stick around long enough someone will point you in the fruit box direction...in the meantime hi and goodbye.... |
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Thank you for your assesment, but I have found, that sometimes, a totally unrelated subject can help others to think about things in a slightly different manner and that this can help.
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Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
« Reply #20 on: May 13th, 2004, 5:57pm » |
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I developed near-sightedness in my mid 40s. Pretty ordinary. At 45, 13 years ago, my CH disappeared. I'm also an epileptic which I'm certain has no relationship to the headaches other than: How about one effen thing at at time?!
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20/15 left eye, 20/20 right eye. Sniper material, baby. 
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Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
« Reply #22 on: May 13th, 2004, 6:02pm » |
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Don't epileptics have different, or too many connections in the brain Charlie and if cluster headaches are the result of too many or improper connections within the brain, along with concentration at some of its highest levels, won't the eyes and that strain probably create the headaches?
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Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
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on May 13th, 2004, 6:00pm, thomas wrote:| 20/15 left eye, 20/20 right eye. Sniper material, baby. |
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Thank you sir, that is quite interresting, but do your eyes ever bother you in any way?
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Re: I believe dyslexia could be one cause for clus
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I know you mean well Boy Scout, but I believe most of us who have had CH's for 20+ years have already did the scans, eyes, etc. We have also did all the left hand right hand surveys. Maybe one day you may find some sort of relationship between Clusters & whatever the f..k causes them. Good luck to ya.
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