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from michael moore:
Heads Up
April 14, 2004
Friends,
I have never seen a head so far up a Presidential ass (pardon my Falluja) than the one I saw last night at the "news conference" given by George W. Bush. He's still talking about finding "weapons of mass destruction" -- this time on Saddam's "turkey farm." Turkey indeed. Clearly the White House believes there are enough idiots in the 17 swing states who will buy this. I think they are in for a rude awakening.
I've been holed up for weeks in the editing room finishing my film ("Fahrenheit 911" . That's why you haven't heard from me lately. But after last night's Lyndon Johnson impersonation from the East Room -- essentially promising to send even more troops into the Iraq sinkhole -- I had to write you all a note.
First, can we stop the Orwellian language and start using the proper names for things? Halliburton is not a "company" doing business in Iraq. It is a WAR PROFITEER, bilking millions from the pockets of average Americans. In past wars they would have been arrested -- or worse.
And Mr. Bush? You closed down a friggin' weekly newspaper in Iraq, you great giver of freedom and democracy! Then all hell broke loose. The paper only had 10,000 readers! Why are you smirking?
One year after we wiped the face of the Saddam statue with our American flag before yanking him down, it is now too dangerous for a single media person to go to that square in Baghdad and file a report on the wonderful one-year anniversary celebration. Of course, there is no celebration, and those brave blow-dried "embeds" can't even leave the safety of the fort in downtown Baghdad. They never actually SEE what is taking place across Iraq (most of the pictures we see on TV are shot by Arab media and some Europeans). When you watch a report "from Iraq" what you are getting is the press release handed out by the U.S. occupation force and repeated to you as "news."
I currently have two cameramen/reporters doing work for me in Iraq for my movie (unbeknownst to the Army). They are talking to soldiers and gathering the true sentiment about what is really going on. They Fed Ex the footage back to me each week. That's right, Fed Ex. Who said we haven't brought freedom to Iraq! The funniest story my guys tell me is how when they fly into Baghdad, they don't have to show a passport or go through immigration. Why not? Because they have not traveled from a foreign country -- they're coming from America TO America, a place that is ours, a new American territory called Iraq.
I'll write again soon. Don't despair. Remember, the American people are not that stupid. Sure, we can be frightened into a war, but we always come around sooner or later -- and the one way this is NOT like Vietnam is that it hasn't taken the public four long years to figure out they were lied to.
Now if Bush would just quit speaking in public and giving me more free material for my movie, I can get back to work and get it done. I've got four weeks left 'til completion.
Yours,
Michael Moore
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Re: MichealMoore
« Reply #1 on: Apr 20th, 2004, 2:42pm » |
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Oh geez....
Maybe someone should post a Rush or O'Reilly letter now to even it out.
Chris - just ducking slightly...
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Double Gee-Whiz, H-Freddy!
next time post something provactive.
Ckelly's on the nose. I think Michael Moore is the Rush of the Left - simple, dramatic, occasionally correct, sometimes funny, usually ridiculous. I don't care for either of them.
Well, back to other stuff.
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I am having trouble focusing on work because I am tired and cranky and I can't stand the thought of November.
Here are some quotes for your enjoyment.
The vast majority of our imports come from outside the country."
- George W. Bush
"If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure."
- George W. Bush
"One word sums up probably the responsibility of any Governor, and that one word is 'to be prepared'."
- George W. Bush
"I have made good judgments in the past. I have made good judgments in the future."
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"The future will be better tomorrow."
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"We're going to have the best educated American people in the world."
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"I stand by all the misstatements that I've made."
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"We have a firm commitment to NATO, we are a part of NATO. We have a firm commitment to Europe. We are a part of Europe."
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"Public speaking is very easy."
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Re: MichealMoore
« Reply #4 on: Apr 20th, 2004, 4:09pm » |
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Mr. Moore and the rest of you liberals can say all you want about our involvement in Iraq, President Bush's ignorance whatever...
I said this in another thread and I'm repeating it here.
STFU with all this propeganda and politics and let our troops FINISH THIER FUCKIN JOB so they can come home......Geez people! Its Ignorant thinking like this that got 50000 U.S. troops killed or wounded in Vietnam, and the same fuckin thinking and talking out your asses that is screwing up the job in Iraq, and keeping the good that we have done by removing Saddam from power that was really the whole point from being the bright spot in a tragic situation.
Is it our fault that the Iraqi's cant agree on leadership and control their own population?....NO they have been bickering tribally for centuries....who is gonna take it in the ass as usual? Thats right the U.S. all because we wanted a better chance for them. Is it our fault that two religous groups are fighting over a small swatch of land on the east bank and the gaza strip?.....NO that has been going on for millennium.....but who takes the blame for it? right again.....the good ol USA all because we thought maybe we could mediate some sort of peace. It is in fact the very groups that blame us that are the Fuckin cause of it all and its THEIR fault there is no peace cause neither side is willing to compromise in the least......why? Because of fuckin religon. STUPID JUST PLAIN IGNORANT AND STUPID! They are the cause of their own problems........but to imply that our sons and daughters are doing wrong is just as much of a travesty....leave em alone to work so more of em can come home in one F'in piece!!!!!!
If I were Ree....I would be absolutely livid and disgusted with this type of thinking......hrrrmmmm imagine that, I aint her but I still am!  Michael Moore can go to hell.
"Man never does evil so cheerfully as when he does it from religous conviction" - Blaise Pascal
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Re: MichealMoore
« Reply #5 on: Apr 20th, 2004, 4:19pm » |
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Mrs. Barlow, I never, and I repeat never, ever pissed in your steam iron.
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By the way....what is the job?
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Re: MichealMoore
« Reply #7 on: Apr 20th, 2004, 6:01pm » |
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The Job was/is.......remove the A$$hole Saddam from power, set up a model of government structure for them to start with and get the fuck outta there! DUH! (at least the one we want to project to the world)
Allaya who think oil is the cause of all this.....yer really snowed, ya Bush is from an oil barron family, but their oil is in Texas, the oil in Iraq benefits him none unless there is NONE and opec controls the price and flow of that so come off of it.
Those of you who believe that it is just a power play by Jr. to inflict harm on Saddam's regime or (vendetta) I believe are also on the wrong track......Saddam was a muderous, evil man, the world refused to take drastic measures to prevent more of his killing and raping of the Iraqi people and nation for his own benefit ....so GOOD he's done now is that a bad thing?
Those of you who really believe the WMD thing......uh wrong, there were no WMDs, we seriously crippled his ability to produce that in 91....over 70% of his militarty resources were obliterated, and that was a goal that had to be met before our generals would send in ground forces..... Saddam's WMDs please, gimme a break. Iran is a "threat"...guess where Iran is.
Fact is folks (all of this is opinon) but it is logical....after the Regan administration whatever intelligence operatives we had in the middle east were pretty much useless due to the lack of "credible threat" and the rapid decline of Communism (or so we thought).....20+ years later Bin Ladden launches what proved to be a legitimately threatening offensive in the mid 90's we now have no credible intellegence in the middle-east and bin ladden knows it, he is free to move around at will virtually unchecked and do as he pleases....then comes 9-11.
Whats the next logical step folks?.....re-establish an intellegence platform in a closed society, we need it to get to bin ladden and to help us learn more about the culture, lanscape, tactics, and types of terrorist groups....where is the best place for it? LOOK ON THE WORLD MAP! Iraq is right smack in the middle of the middle east, it holds a sizable portion of the worlds refineable oil (good for gassing up military equipment) and it has the largest mixed sampling of muslim peoples....it is in fact the ideal place to launch a war against terrorism globally. We can get almost anywhere in the world from there. Get in the middle and fan out from a point where your logistics can be easily maintained. There is a port for major shipping, oil for gasoline, and all the resources the U.S. needs in one central location to launch a major military campaign.
So now you all wanna know is why didn't the gov't just say that, why all the talk about WMDs and Saddam. Well, if you are trying to create a viable secret intelligence operation...then you have to keep it secret that is the whole point. Why would you announce to the world exactly what you are trying to do?...so now you need a plausible distraction or reason for getting in there, hence WMDs, Saddam's cruelty, etc. we were never supposed to know the real reason we are there....and the path taken is still the path of least resistance considering its only been a year. Now suddenly Honduras and Spain are pulling out claiming they are opposed now to our activity.....YEAH, we probably told em to leave so they couldn't see what we are really doing.
I don't claim to know it all, I may be totally waaaay out in left field...but, drawing from past scenarios, tactics etc. Virtually little has changed except the technology....the game is the same the equipment is just better.
Anyway...the troops are there preserving our way of life, they are under fire, suffering and sacrificing their lives to do it regardless of our Governments intent....And thats what really matters to me....I want our military personnel to come home safely. Thats all I care about....the rest is gonna happen regardless of my opinion.
JMO
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Re: MichealMoore
« Reply #8 on: Apr 20th, 2004, 6:11pm » |
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Ah politics.
And now:
Lutheran's are right, Catholics are wrong!
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Mrs. Barlow, I never, and I repeat never, ever pissed in your steam iron.
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Re: MichealMoore
« Reply #9 on: Apr 20th, 2004, 6:47pm » |
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Nah, nah...Catholics are right; UNITARIANS are wrong! 
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« Reply #10 on: Apr 20th, 2004, 6:55pm » |
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Catholics are right, we just feel real guilty about being right all the time. AHHHH..the burdens we must bear. 
...peace be with you....and always be with you...
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Re: MichealMoore
« Reply #11 on: Apr 20th, 2004, 6:57pm » |
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Unitarians are dopers.
Catholics are anal.
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« Reply #12 on: Apr 20th, 2004, 7:03pm » |
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LMAO!
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Re: MichealMoore
« Reply #13 on: Apr 20th, 2004, 7:09pm » |
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How about this?
Women are inherently more intelligent and kind than men...
heh heh...
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on Apr 20th, 2004, 7:09pm, ckelly181 wrote:How about this?
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Hell!!, I dont care who is smarter.....I just want to get me a catholic chick that loves anal....LMAO
Dont blame me....Boob brought it up
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Re: MichealMoore
« Reply #15 on: Apr 20th, 2004, 7:25pm » |
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Jonny, you're my hero. You should run for president. I'd vote for ya'
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Re: MichealMoore
« Reply #16 on: Apr 20th, 2004, 7:40pm » |
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Well, I didn't vote the current not a very nice person in office and I sure as hell am not doing it this November. Isn't it funny all the killing and violence that is done in the name of religion??!!!
Now that Saddam is out, why do we have to stick around in Iraq? So we can set up a democracy?
I know I wouldn't like it if some one else took over the USA and tried to put in a new system "for our own good".
Let's get our people out of Iraq and let them (the Iraqis) run things. But that will never happen as long as there is money and oil involved!
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« Reply #17 on: Apr 20th, 2004, 7:57pm » |
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And women don't have cluster headaches..... 
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LMAO! perfect timing and delivery
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Re: MichealMoore
« Reply #19 on: Apr 20th, 2004, 8:49pm » |
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Purpleydog,
This is a very good question:
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The answer is that the entire reason Saddam came into power in the first place is because he had the balls to call the shots when there was no official government in Iraq that could keep order. He was not born into royalty, he was from a poor family, and a member of the smallest minority group to boot. Although not to our credit Democracy will probably be the style of choice only because we know it better than anything else....the good thing is that there are non-government Americans there now TRYing to set up a system that is not only democratic (which is good in the basics) but allows the Iraqi's to meld it with their culture, Ironically, muslims regard their religon as a way of life and cannot separate church/state as Americans supposedly do. All Business or any other form of work...everything comes to a complete halt during prayer time (about two times a day officially) individuals choose extra time as a personal choice. This means banks, oil refineries, hospitals, litterally all activity comes to a complete stop for about 1-4 hours a day.....not practical for capitalism.
The other major problem is that with all the centuries old fighting between tribal groups, no one can agree on who should be elected president or lead the government, or how much/little each will have in congress/parliament/council or whatever they are gonna call it.....Muslim tradition is "An Eye for an Eye" and it is usually firmly believed that those who are larger in numbers have the biggest say....you can see the drawbacks. It has been this way for centuries and will not immediately be resolved by us.
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I completely agree that we need to get the basics done and get out as soon as possible, and unfortunately the secular tribes are also divided by geographics....not exactly integrated, which means that a large part of the oil fields lie in one particular groups geographic area so they threaten to withhold oil if they don't get their way in government....just another monkey wrench to toss in the works.
Again.....these problems are the big problem that have kept Saddam in power when he was, and the ability of the Iraqi people from having prevented saddam in the first place. Part of Saddam's original appeal was that he unified Iraq under one government.....the draw back was he knew he could exploit it for his own benefit without much opposition cause of the tribal differences.
Our troops are there now, trying to keep the peace...in vain I'm afraid, and protecting those who are working with tribal officials in setting up a sovereign government.
They are also there to make sure another homicidal fanatic doesn't step in an have another Saddam Hussein and have to do this all over again.
My personal position? Fuck em. They have their freedom now and the opportunity to make it flourish....it were to happen that some freak stepped in and became like Saddam was...then its their fault, we got rid of the last one, freed the people, gave em their country back and its now sink or swim time for the Iraqis....if they want it bad enough then theyll figure it out.....
Thing is....if they fail...we will still get blamed for not doing enough.
I will not tolerate anyone not suppoting our troops based on a political opinion.....soldiers have nothing to do with legislation, but we have everything to do with their ultimate success or failure of the soldiers. The soldiers are only following orders but we need to order our government to make the right decisions.
Here's to the men and women of the U.S. military serving around the world.....they are your sons and daughters folks....put the blame on the source of the problem not them.
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« Reply #20 on: Apr 20th, 2004, 8:54pm » |
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sorry people, but subjects like this really chap my ass!
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on Apr 20th, 2004, 8:54pm, Cerberus wrote:really chap my ass!
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You really sure you want to make that statement in a thread where anal is being discussed, Bro?
If someone dont like what your opinion is.....FUCK'em!!
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Re: MichealMoore
« Reply #22 on: Apr 21st, 2004, 12:48am » |
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I'm not politically correct but have noticed how often the word anal comes up when discussing political topics.......is there sum sort of connection. Analcrats for prez Pam
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Re: MichealMoore
« Reply #23 on: Apr 21st, 2004, 1:21am » |
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This thread demonstrates the desperate lack of education in this country. Michael Moore's ability to twist historical events and interject his own viewpoint instead of what is actually said or done without being brought to light by the public is amazing. Any open minded individual who will look at his "work" with an open critical mind would reject it immediately. If you go back to his first movie about Flint MI and check it out thouroughly you will never believe another thing he produces.
He is welcome to his political beliefs as are any of you. I don't care what they are, whether they are from the left or from the right. What I care about is whether or not the truth is being told. People from the right point of view are not always truthful either. I just wish people in this country of ours that has the best form of government available, in that we have the right of self government, would take the time and effort to find out what the truth of the matter is before swallowing whatever poison is being fed to them by the ones leading their particular choice political leaning.
BTW, ask the Kurds if Sadaam had WMDs. If you don't know any, I do. However, they are the only ones remaining of their families, because they were over here in the United States in the university when Sadaam experimented with his gas on their families.
BTW, I'm Libertarian. I don't fit into either camp. I look for truth.
"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke (I may have inadvertantly paraphrased the quote. )
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Re: MichealMoore
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We have Michael Moore and the neo-cons have all the Rush Limbaugh clones. It's a toss up. Moore isn't my choice for a liberal spokesman either. He's not at all unique in history though. You worship your Rush's. We don't worship our ranters. Open minds over here.
Oh and I like Unitarians because they read ahead to be srue they agree with their religious texts. My kind of crowd.
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