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Am I a Terrorist?
« on: Apr 1st, 2004, 6:12am » |
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Last year, I really wanted to attend the convention in NY but due to financial problems and an upcoming bankruptcy, it was out of the question.
In the past year, I have got the bankruptcy taken care of, and while I'm still having financial problems, they are mainly due to the fact that I am taking a number of classes right now and not working. However, there does seem to be light at the end of the tunnel --- I only hope it isn't a train. 
Last year, I knew there *might* be a problem with me crossing the border due to some old criminal charges, but never pursued the matter further because of the financial problems.
Recently while looking into the possible legal problems I might encounter at the border, I found out some very interesting information. Because of a recent international agreement, the US law-enforcement agencies are able to access RCMP files to determine if someone attempting to enter the US is "undesirable". (OK -- NO smart-ass remarks!!!  )
I was originally told to apply for a pardon and have my record sealed. Apparently, this does almost nothing when it comes to entering the US since they won't recognize a Canadian pardon. BTW - there are very few other countries ANYWHERE that would refuse me entry because of a couple of assault charges relating to a couple drunken fights more than 10 years ago.
While there is still a chance, it doesn't look good. It seems the best option I have is to apply for a waiver upon entry. This could be a problem as I would hate to buy a plane ticket, only to find out that when I got to Nashville I would immediately be put on a plane home. (I could drive the 200+ miles to the border and try this approach ahead of time.)
On the bright side, if the charges in my past were drug- or weapon-related, I would NEVER be allowed entry into the US.
While I'm aware that the millions of illegals you have there did not legally entry the country (hence the term) and the hundreds of terrorists that are present at any given time probably entered using false ID, I am insulted that I am being refused entry to a country that is home for a number of relatives and my friends here on the message-board as well.
What pisses me off more is that while these charges are dated and alcohol-related, I haven't had ANY legal problems in over 10 years and haven't had a drink in 8 months (it will almost be a year by the time the convention begins.)
Also, this will severely limit my employment options.
"buddy, can you spare $10,000 for legal fees?"
grant 
EDITED: I wish that I hadn't left the board between cycles prior to 18 months ago. I would have known about the Vancouver convention. Its only an 18 hour drive from here with NO borders to cross.
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Re: Am I a Terrorist?
« Reply #1 on: Apr 1st, 2004, 6:33am » |
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Would signed affidavids from US citizens mean anything? If so I bet there are people here that would step up.
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Re: Am I a Terrorist?
« Reply #2 on: Apr 1st, 2004, 6:46am » |
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Grant asks : "Am I a Terrorist?"
NO!
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on Apr 1st, 2004, 6:33am, wsnyder wrote:Would signed affidavids from US citizens mean anything? If so I bet there are people here that would step up.
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Put me on that list when created/available.....
to submit an affidavit ......or whatever, I'm in!
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Grant, keep at it.
Do the best you can mon.
The trial run sounds like a good idea.
See you in Nashville ( I hope). ;)
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Re: Am I a Terrorist?
« Reply #3 on: Apr 1st, 2004, 7:39am » |
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Brain Cramps, they've definitely cracked down on "terrorists" like you:
TOWNSHIP 15 RANGE 15, Maine Feb. 10 — A resident in this remote northern Maine outpost along the Quebec border says he is being fined $10,000 for doing something he has done most his life: Going to church.
Richard Albert, 52, said the U.S. Bureau of Customs and Border Protection recently notified him that he faces two $5,000 fines for twice crossing from Quebec into Maine on a Sunday when the local border crossing station is closed.
Albert's home is 30 yards on the Maine side of the border, right beside the U.S. Customs office. But the church is on the Canadian side of the border, which means he has to cross the boundary illegally to attend church services.
Albert, a U.S. citizen, said he has been crossing the U.S.-Canada border at his own discretion for more than 40 years. But border security has been tightened since last May when the Bureau of Customs eliminated its Form 1 program.
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20040210_1220.html
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Re: Am I a Terrorist?
« Reply #4 on: Apr 1st, 2004, 9:44am » |
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Since you corrected it I deleted mine.
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Re: Am I a Terrorist?
« Reply #5 on: Apr 1st, 2004, 10:03am » |
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LOL...since all of you did all you correction and deletion.....well....I am confused....  Imagine that!
Grant, I am sorry....this is the pits. If that asffidavit idea works, count me in!
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Well it seems that Canada will let anyone in
I was charged with attempted murder in the early 80's, I was able to plea bargin down to assualt and battery with a deadly weapon....still, a felony that I was convicted of.
I got through customs without even a passport to attend the Vancouver convention....Getting back into the states was a different story....Even though I was a citizen they tore my luggage up looking for shit (Something they didnt do while entering Canada)
Grant, I'll steal a pipercub and fly under radar to get ya......Convention or bust!!!! (and I mean "Bust"....LOL
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Re: Am I a Terrorist?
« Reply #7 on: Apr 1st, 2004, 6:02pm » |
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cross the border into Jackman Maine...don't even think there is a guardhouse anymore....
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Re: Am I a Terrorist?
« Reply #8 on: Apr 1st, 2004, 6:44pm » |
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Our paranoia here is rampant and hits all the wrong people. The mad bombers and terrorists aren't going to look for a nice customs station. Idiocy at its extreme.
Not sure what we can do. A further example is a businessman who was born in Canada but has lived here all his life near me. He went home to his family with tons of special paperwork just in case something like this might happen. It took him several months to get back home because of some moronic bullshit that a twit on the Buffalo side of the river decided to pursue. Never have I seen something so stupid and just plain nasty. It's a sad state of affairs.
This is the kind of thing that should have had special attention...even from Washington. Reagan would have loved this. Not today though. Really pisses me off. The guy with the ammonia nitrates doesn't have this kind of worry
Any ideas kids?
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on Apr 1st, 2004, 6:02pm, kissmyglass wrote:| cross the border into Jackman Maine...don't even think there is a guardhouse anymore.... |
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Hes on the western side of Canada, Kev....hell of a trip.
It seems that only the mexicans can get into this country with no problem.....then they can put their kids in school and the school is not allowed to ask them if they are citizens.....Man, Dont get me started....LOL
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Re: Am I a Terrorist?
« Reply #10 on: Apr 1st, 2004, 6:53pm » |
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on Apr 1st, 2004, 6:47pm, jonny wrote:
It seems that only the mexicans can get into this country with no problem..
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Jonny, almost 400 Mexicans die every year crossing the border. Another 2,000,000 get arrested and sent back.
http://online.statesmanjournal.com/sp_section_article.cfm?i=37498&s= 1801
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on Apr 1st, 2004, 6:53pm, t_h_b wrote:| Jonny, almost 400 Mexicans die every year crossing the border. Another 2,000,000 get arrested and sent back. |
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Well, someone should tell them to get in line or stay home.
Did you know that they can walk into a hospital (Not even speaking english) and the hospital staff are not allowed to ask them if they are citizens?
WE pay for every dime they skip out on,....National guard on the border is the only way to go!!
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Re: Am I a Terrorist?
« Reply #12 on: Apr 1st, 2004, 7:16pm » |
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on Apr 1st, 2004, 7:07pm, jonny wrote:| ...National guard on the border is the only way to go!! |
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Hey!!! Wait a minute! This isn't helping my problem at all!
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on Apr 1st, 2004, 7:16pm, brain_cramps wrote:
Hey!!! Wait a minute! This isn't helping my problem at all!
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You shit head....LMAO
Not your border....LOL
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Re: Am I a Terrorist?
« Reply #14 on: Apr 1st, 2004, 8:20pm » |
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From Candian Tourism Commission
Immigration and Refugee Protection Act, implemented June 28, 2002.
(just excerpts)
Some background:
foreigners may be denied entry if they have been
convicted of a criminal act in Canada or abroad. An offense is considered criminal if it is defined int he
Criminal Code of Canada or other acts of Parliament, regardless of whether the offense is considered criminal in the country where it was committed.
Important note: impaired driving is considered a criminal offense, a fact that can take visitors by surprise at the border.
However,
Deemed Rehabilitation:
a foreign national who has committed one single criminal offense outside Canada may be deemed rehabilitated if 10 years have passed since the completion of the sentence imposed and if the person has not committed any further criminal acts.
this applies to offenses that, in Canada would draw a maximum sentence fo less than 10 years.
there will be no administrative fee, but authority to allow an individual to enter Canada will be based on an assessment of risk and other factors at the border examination.
deemed rehabilitated, is not automatically entered into government databases, therefore visitors should not expect to be automatically allowed to enter, though entrance was granted on previous visits. Only frequent visitors are entered in the database.
I live in Detroit, this stuff is kept handy.
Kevin M
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Our government has spent many millions here to keep things tight with so much traffic going through the tunnel to Windsor or crossing our Ambassador Bridge and Blue Water Bridge up the road between the countries. Things are going better, but the Canadian government does not care if the trucking lines carrying goods to or from are backed up two miles. No chances are taken. So much commercial traffic travels to and fro, most from the big auto companies, things are serious here. Even General Motors has invested millions too to improve inspections with technology when shipments were delayed days while they depended upon on time delivery for "just in time" inventory. They bit the bullet and thought it in their best interest to help by funding for the implementation of new technology.
We ain't no easy way in anymore. State of the art.
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on Apr 1st, 2004, 6:47pm, jonny wrote:It seems that only the mexicans can get into this country with no problem.....then they can put their kids in school and the school is not allowed to ask them if they are citizens.....Man, Dont get me started....LOL
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Hey Cramps. There you go. Hop a plane to Mexico, then just come on over from there. It's easy. Hundreds do it everyday. LOL 
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on Apr 1st, 2004, 8:36pm, BlueMeanie wrote:| Hey Cramps. There you go. Hop a plane to Mexico, then just come on over from there. It's easy. Hundreds do it everyday. LOL |
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Yup, It seems that Canadians respect our borders.
Whats your point?
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Re: Am I a Terrorist?
« Reply #17 on: Apr 1st, 2004, 9:22pm » |
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Kevin,
I wonder, though, if that document has been revised since 9-11.
I know that records can be expunged. Ex inmates here, can file a document with the court and under court order, those records are expunged. Once expunged, they cannot be reported to another agency.
Wish I knew more about Canadian Law. However, it should be available via the internet. Just not sure if any revisions are updated. Certainly alot has changed since 9-11.
I have some contacts....gonna see what I can find out.
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Re: Am I a Terrorist?
« Reply #18 on: Apr 1st, 2004, 10:04pm » |
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on Apr 1st, 2004, 9:22pm, TxBasslady wrote:Kevin,
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That was enacted June 28, 2002.
Revisions? That was from their site 6 months ago.
Canada may have their own rules about what is considered rehabilitated. You are right, they go by Canadian code, regardless of criminality in country committed. They state 10 years without another criminal act, that may be their definition they go by. I know expunging takes time (5yrs?)
These are most useful general terms put out by the Canadian Tourism Commission. The depth of expunging by another country is not clear, but certain privacies were put on the back burner in favor of better security. The exchange of info is thorough now, however, Canada is our friendliest neighbor and perhaps may comply with U. S. codes where it sees fit for their own security.
Detroit has the largest Arab community in the U.S. and after 9-11 much came under scrutiny. For the most part it is a U. S friendly community of Arabs here in Detroit, but the F.B.I. came down hard here. Certain "things" were discovered. Canadain and U. S. customs keep a tight lock on nothing coming through, to or from.
Your point may be correct, but if interested, it would take looking into. I would not take anything for granted.
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Re: Am I a Terrorist?
« Reply #19 on: Apr 1st, 2004, 10:49pm » |
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LMAO.........dayum, I must be blind. I coulda swore the year on that document was 2000.
Sorry sweetie.......LOL
In Texas, I don't think it's 5 yrs. on expunging records.
Gonna check.......this really is very interesting.
Hang on, Grant............we got the CH Investigators on the job. 
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Re: Am I a Terrorist?
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on Apr 1st, 2004, 10:49pm, TxBasslady wrote:In Texas, I don't think it's 5 yrs. on expunging records.
Gonna check.......this really is very interesting.
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Probably different in different states. My lawyer mentioned five years and quite a bit of money.
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Re: Am I a Terrorist?
« Reply #21 on: Apr 1st, 2004, 11:33pm » |
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Grant yer NO terrorist........but did you do a good job terrorizeing the guys in the bar fight ? Hop on one of them casino busses that comes and goes from Windsor......all they asked us was if we had weapons or firearms......or cigarettes......when we left to come back into the states they added the question of money ? All in all....I HOPE YOU CAN MAKE IT !!! Pam with no murder wrap as of to date
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Re: Am I a Terrorist?
« Reply #22 on: Apr 2nd, 2004, 4:41am » |
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I don't think so, but the pain in your head sure is!
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Re: Am I a Terrorist?
« Reply #23 on: Apr 2nd, 2004, 9:52am » |
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Hey Grant,
If the government says you're a terrorist, you're a terrorist.
I always thought there was something odd about you...
peace out
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Re: Am I a Terrorist?
« Reply #24 on: Apr 2nd, 2004, 3:57pm » |
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on Apr 2nd, 2004, 9:52am, fubar wrote:| If the government says you're a terrorist, you're a terrorist. |
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YOUR government... not MINE!
not quite sure WHAT my government thinks anymore! 
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