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Alternative Meds
« on: Sep 20th, 2004, 12:46pm »
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Has anyone had any luck with any alternative medications??
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« Reply #1 on: Sep 20th, 2004, 1:14pm »
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Depends on what you mean by alternative.  I use magnesium and melatonin regularly; these have been shown to help some people in clinical trials.  In the US, melatonin is a "food supplement" and seen as alternative. In Europe, melatonin is considered a hormone and requires a prescription and costs 20 times more than in the US.  
 
I also use 5-htp, B-vitamins,  CoQ10, cayenne pepper, peony root, turmeric and green tea.  I believe that these have helped me, but one person's experience is not controlled research - it is common for episodics to have good years and bad years, even to have the clusters dissapear for years at a time.  There is a scientific rational for all of these treatments (5-htp, B-vitamins and CoQ10 have been demonstrated effective in reducing migraine, but not tested on clusters).  Green tea and turmeric scavenge nitric oxide and reduce the inflammatory cascade, although no studies have been conducted specifically on clusters.  B-vitamins improve a variety of metabolic processes, including serotonin synthesis.  Peony root reduces CGRP production and increases expression of the A20 gene, which is neuroprotective against NMDA/glutamate but again, I don't what (if anything) has helped me or if I am lucky.
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Re: Alternative Meds
« Reply #2 on: Sep 20th, 2004, 1:16pm »
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Not me. I've tried everything and no help.Latest thing was the Migrahealth.$22.00 @ Wall-mart.Wasted money!I hope you get some positive feedback,But nothing has worked for me.I've been sticking with the O2. only thing that helps.David Angry
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Re: Alternative Meds
« Reply #3 on: Sep 20th, 2004, 3:21pm »
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Might want to look at www.clusterbusters.com
 
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« Reply #4 on: Sep 20th, 2004, 8:36pm »
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on Sep 20th, 2004, 1:14pm, floridian wrote:
In Europe, melatonin is considered a hormone and requires a prescription and costs 20 times more than in the US.  

Ahem, at the last counting there were 48 different countries in Europe, each with it's own legislation on health matters.
 
Some time ago I ask the pharmacist about melatonin. He told me it was considered a food supplement and therefore not in his assortment (oh yeah, but he sells all this homeopathic crap  Angry)  Anyway, he ordered some for me, it took 2 weeks and he charged a 'pharmacy price' of $ 20.00 for 30 capsules. I could probably get them much cheaper at a health food store, but I didn't follow up as melatonin did nothing for my CH nor my sleep.
 
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My apologies to the 48 nations of Europe (2 more and you could call em states!).  Yes, I suppose that there is a great deal of variation between govt. policies in those 48 sovereign states, although there has been some standardization via the EU.  
 
Glad to hear that melatonin is available and affordable in the Switzerland, Ueli.  In Austria, the cost is only about 4x more than the according to this article, but I think their US price is on the high side.  
 
 
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Melatonin - Nahrungsergänzung oder Arzneimittel?    
    In den USA ist Melatonin in jedem Drugstore erhältlich. Ganz anders in der EU: Dort gilt das Hormonpräparat als verschreibungspflichtiges Arzneimittel. Und wie ist die Situation in Österreich ?    
     
  Das Hormonpräparat Melatonin wird von immer mehr Ärzten als harmloses, aber wirksames Medikament eingesetzt. Beispielsweise gegen Schlafstörungen oder den Jetlag.
 
In den USA wird das Mittel als einfaches Verzehrprodukt eingeschätzt und ist in jedem Drugstore billig zu kaufen. Ebenso wie in Japan wird es als Nahrungsergänzungsmittel gegen das Altern eingenommen.
   
 EU: Melatonin gilt als Arzneimittel  
   
 
  Anders in der EU. Dort gilt es als Arzneimittel. Da es in Europa kein Hersteller je registrieren ließ, ist es in EU-Staaten auch nicht einfach erhältlich.
 
In Österreich ist aus Gründen der Konsumentensicherheit der Versandhandel mit Medikamenten generell verboten, auch über das Internet, da der Zoll eine Einfuhr nicht zulässt.
   
 Die Wirkungsweise von Melatonin
Das Hormon Melatonin wird im Gehirn in einer kleinen, etwa erbsengroßen Drüse gebildet. Da die Form dieses Organs an einen Kiefernzapfen erinnert, erhielt es den Namen Zirbeldrüse.
 
In den spezialisierten Nervenzellen der Zirbeldrüse (Glandula pinealis) wird Melatonin aus dem ebenfalls biologisch sehr bedeutsamen Neurotransmitter Serotonin produziert. Nach seiner Freisetzung verteilt sich Melatonin über den Blutweg im ganzen Körper.  
    Mehr über Melatonin  
   
   
 Harmloses Schlafmittel oder hochwirksames Hormonpräparat  
   
 
  In Europa ist Melatonin noch nicht als Arzneimittel zugelassen.
Das Verfahren ist teuer und aufwendig und bisher hat sich noch kein amerikanischer Hersteller um eine Registrierung im EU-Raum bemüht.
 
"Legal nach Österreich kann man das Mittel nur über eine Einfuhrbewilligung nach dem Arzneiwareneinfuhrgesetz", erklärt der Mediziner Wolfgang Michtner vom Gesundheitsministerium: "Da müsste ein Arzt bescheinigen, dass der gewünschte pharmakologische Erfolg durch ein in Österreich erhältliches Arzneimittel nicht gegeben ist und dass das nur mit Melatonin bewerkstelligt werden kann."
   
 Keine Einfuhrbewilligung für Melatonin  
   
 
  Die Apothekerkammer hat andere Erfahrungen. Für Melatonin gäbe es von der Behörde keine Unbedenklichkeitsbescheinigung und damit auch keine Einfuhrbewilligung.
 
Eine Bestellung über das Internet ist ebenfalls nicht möglich, weil der Versandhandel mit Medikamenten in Österreich generell verboten ist. Strafbar macht sich allerdings nur der Anbieter und nicht der Besteller.
   
 Eine verwirrende Situation  
   
 
  Aber es gibt nicht nur Verbote. So ist es - um die Verwirrung komplett zu machen - erlaubt, kleine Mengen auch nicht registrierter Medikamente für den persönlichen Gebrauch einzuführen, erklärt Michtner:
 
"Wenn Sie aus den Vereinigten Staaten einreisen würden, dürften Sie für Ihren persönlichen Gebrauch auch drei Handelspackungen Melatonin mitführen. Weil der Gesetzgeber davon ausgeht, dass man natürlich als Reisender Arzneimittel mit sich führt."
   
 Melatonin zu Luxuspreisen  
   
 
  Wer bereit ist, tief in die Tasche zu greifen, braucht hierzulande jedoch nicht auf Melatonin zu verzichten. Denn einige Apotheken bereiten das Hormonpräparat auf ärztliche Verschreibung selbst zu. Zu Apothekerpreisen, versteht sich. Um fast 520 Schilling für 100 1mg-Kapseln. In US-Drugstores kostet dieselbe Menge Melatonin weniger als ein Drittel, nämlich 10 Dollar, also umgerechnet etwas mehr als 150 Schilling.
 
Im Gesundheitsministerium macht Wolfgang Michtner aber Hoffnung auf Verbilligungen: "Es ist jetzt geplant, dass man ein zentrales Zulassungsverfahren für Melatonin durchführt. Geht das positiv aus, wird Melatonin im gesamten europäischen Wirtschaftsraum zugelassen. Man ist gerade dabei, dieses Verfahren durchzuführen."  
 
http://science.orf.at/science/news/9181
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Re: Alternative Meds
« Reply #6 on: Sep 20th, 2004, 9:11pm »
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Basically, if you can find the stuff in the "organic" sections of your super market, mall health food store, or on ebay, it will be pretty useless.
 
Clinical is the way to go with CH. It's a better place to spend money on this horror.
 
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Basically, if you can find the stuff in the "organic" sections of your super market, mall health food stores, or on ebay, it will be pretty useless.
 
Clinical is the way to go with CH. It's a better place to spend money on this horror.
 
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« Reply #8 on: Sep 21st, 2004, 2:09am »
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on Sep 20th, 2004, 8:36pm, Ueli wrote:

Ahem, at the last counting there were 48 different countries in Europe,

Oh, great. You got 48 different countries, we got 50 different states, and there's still communist Canada and Central America to account for.  
Bugger that. Too much math. Ueli, I can get 60 three mg melatonin pills for $5.00 at the local high priced health food store.......gawd knows what that comes out to in Euro's. Do the conversion, and I'll send you a 5 gallon bucket full of the suckers........... (metric conversion not included.) I still ain't sold on melatonin, but at that price, I'd chew baked whale shit if it helped in the least.
 
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Re: Alternative Meds
« Reply #9 on: Sep 21st, 2004, 8:05am »
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Jaylve,
     So far most of the treatments available, deal with the pain and not necessarily with the problem.  
    There has been some discussion on the affects that Triptans have on the cycle in the long run. Some say the triptans make the cycles longer and use them as a last resort or not at all and some need to get relief ASAP and use them alot. How you choose to deal with it is a personal choice. My only recomondation would be to use as little medication as possible. Oxygen, properly used seems to be a great relief for a ton of people. Properly used is the key so if you go that route make sure to get yourself educated.  
     I am episodic and get hit every couple of years for 2-3 weeks. My ha's are usually severe and build up to 2-3 times a day. This year I got educated through this incredible site and tried Zomig tabs, Verapamil and Melatonin.
I also realy concentrated on relaxing, and drinking lots and lots of cold water during the hits.  
     The next time (god forbid) I will stay away from the meds. It is my feeling that the meds stretched a 2-3 week cycle into a 6 week cycle but I'm not sorry I tried them.
     
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on Sep 21st, 2004, 2:09am, Mr. Happy wrote:

I still ain't sold on melatonin, but at that price, I'd chew baked whale shit if it helped in the least.
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