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« Reply #75 on: Sep 5th, 2004, 10:02am » |
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Quote:J Invest Dermatol. 2001 Sep;117(3):725-30.
Inhibition of neurogenic inflammation by the Amazonian herbal medicine sangre de grado.
Miller MJ, Vergnolle N, McKnight W, Musah RA, Davison CA, Trentacosti AM, Thompson JH, Sandoval M, Wallace JL.
Department of Pediatrics, Albany Medical College, Albany, New York, New York 12208, USA. millermj@mail.amc.edu
This study was designed to determine if the Amazonian medicinal sangre de grado, confers benefit by suppressing the activation of sensory afferent nerves. METHODS: (i) vasorelaxation of rat mesenteric arteries in response to calcitonin gene-related peptide; (ii) rat paw edema in response to protease- activating peptide receptor 2-activating peptide; (iii) rat paw hyperalgesia in response to low-dose protease-activating peptide receptor 2-activating peptide or prostaglandin E2; (iv) gastric hyperemia in response luminal capsaicin; (v) a clinical trial of a sangre de grado balm in pest control workers. The parent botanical was fractionated for evaluation of potential active components. In preconstricted rat mesenteric arteries, highly diluted sangre de grado (1:10,000) caused a shift to the right of the calcitonin gene-related peptide dose-response curve (p < 0.01). Paw edema in response to protease-activating peptide receptor 2-activating peptide (500 microg) was reduced by as single topical administration sangre de grado balm (1% concentration, p < 0.01) for at least 6 h. Hyperalgesia induced by either low-dose protease-activating peptide receptor 2-activating peptide (50 microg) or prostaglandin E2 was prevented by sangre de grado balm. A fraction possessing analgesic and capsaicin antagonistic properties was isolated and high-performance liquid chromatography and gas chromatography-mass spectrometry analysis indicated that it was a proanthocyandin oligomer. In pest control workers, sangre de grado balm (Zangrado) was preferred over placebo, for the relief of itching, pain, discomfort, edema, and redness in response to wasps, fire ants, mosquitoes, bees, cuts, abrasions, and plant reactions. Subjects reported relief within minutes. We conclude that sangre de grado is a potent inhibitor of sensory afferent nerve mechanisms and supports its ethnomedical use for disorders characterized by neurogenic inflammation.
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Re: 19 year clusterhead now drug free!
« Reply #76 on: Sep 7th, 2004, 9:23am » |
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I just read this whole thread. One word:
AMAZING!
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« Reply #77 on: Sep 7th, 2004, 1:03pm » |
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hmmm, I kept thinking of a different word. It's currently the title of Penn & Teller's show on Showtime.
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Re: 19 year clusterhead now drug free!
« Reply #78 on: Sep 8th, 2004, 12:14am » |
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on Sep 5th, 2004, 10:01am, floridian wrote:Did I cheese you off? That's funny, I thought I have been more sympathetic and open minded than most. Maybe my memory needs refreshing. Yeah, I whine, they whine, and YOU whine. But I'm not here to defend the group-think. I want to solve a puzzle that causes so much pain. If you are in the same boat, then maybe you do too. But you need to grow a thicker skin, and read Dale Carnegie's "How to win friends and influence people."
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I want a solution to the puzzle too Floridian! Like you, I'm not here to defend the group think. I also agree that the guy was awfully thin skinned.
Like I said, I'm not here to defend the group think, but it bothers me when someone is run off that just might have something valuable to say and maybe even, God forbid, something we could learn! One of the most valuable lessons learned in life is that we don't know it all! We all learn it. Sometimes unfortunately, I think we tend to forget this lesson. It's a shame because the outcome is almost always the same. Instead of broadening our horizons, we narrow them.
I said that I found this string amazing. I'll tell you why. The guy, whoever he was, tried to articulate his experiences, theories and even feelings to a bunch of total strangers. One can question his motives. Maybe he is just pedantic and likes to hear himself expound on his thoughts. Or just maybe, he was trying to articulate his ideas and experience in hopes of initiating a meaningful dialogue instead of massaging his ego. The fact that he chose to go about it in such a long winded fashion, I suppose he felt, was the only way he could fully convey his message. At least to me that's what he seemed to be saying.
He also stated vehemently more than once that he was not here to sell anything. If he was lying about that and there was in fact a hook, I totally missed it.
I believe chopper did in fact, start the name calling. Like Floridian said, he needs to grow a thicker skin. But I gotta tell you, I don't know about anyone else but it took me quite a while to get up the nerve to post on these boards and I think I'm about as thick skinned as they come!
I know I'm gonna get flamed for this, but so be it- flame away! I got it off my chest and I feel better. You just never know where a contribution to better understanding this disease may come from. I don't like shutting doors before they've had a chance to open.
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Re: 19 year clusterhead now drug free!
« Reply #79 on: Sep 8th, 2004, 12:34am » |
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I'm with you alley oop.
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Re: 19 year clusterhead now drug free!
« Reply #80 on: Sep 8th, 2004, 2:36pm » |
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on Sep 8th, 2004, 12:34am, nani wrote:| I'm with you alley oop. |
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Ditto...
I think the only thing that I said on this thread was to "try" to be clearer and concise. It was more advice than anyhting else because of the experiences I had in the beginning 
When we're in cycle many are very quip and can jump down eachother's throat.
I certainly have a thick skin but at the same time it is sometimes difficult to read and gather the tone of some people's replies.
What I do understand is that many people here have been guinea pigs for too long. This is unfortunate. I've suffered for 9 yrs and only now (since June 9th) have I been receiving meds and for that matter any "appropriate" treatment (hope).
The point is I guess those who are quick to react or label someone a troll are probobly doing it to help the majority and not to be jerks (I would hope).
I guess if the first thing a newbie reads is diet or catshit and ammonia this will be the first thing attempted... I sniffed ammonia  was desperate (Laugh if ya want I HAVE A THICK SKIN! LOL) but it wasn't funny @ the time.
Best to all and of course hope all get relief
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Re: 19 year clusterhead now drug free!
« Reply #81 on: Sep 8th, 2004, 5:21pm » |
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Hello all,
I have read through this entire thread and I am also amazed and disappointed. This is only the 2nd time I have posted a comment to this board. I kept reading evilchopper's posts because I have suffered many of the exact ailments starting with and including colon spasms, chronic daily migraines and CH. I am disappointed to see that I have no more information to gain from his posts. Please... before you push back think of the others who are hoping for an answer and help. I am not condoning evil chopper's thin skin I am only agreeing with alleyoop.'s posts and expressing my disappointment. I fear reprisal and I am sure that is not what anyone wants from the message board. Thanks in advance for your understanding of my frustration/disappointment.
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Re: 19 year clusterhead now drug free!
« Reply #82 on: Sep 8th, 2004, 10:27pm » |
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I don't seem to understand this fear of reprisal. Anyone proceeding with fear of failure will always chase success behind the clouds that obscure it.
Does anyone think that any new ideas have never been met with any resistance? Just everyone of them.
And then have the guts to say he easily understands quantum and atomic physics as well as relativity and not know this! Make me puke.
And then when resistance is met, say that he is seriously hurt from all the smart alecks, call us pompous, self pitying, immature, losers, call us hostile, jerks, negative, our criticism unfounded.
Then tell us this is the reason he is doing the preaching and we're not, and then say he tried but we shot him down.......when it was only his first time posting!
WTF, and for all that we get some words that sound like they are taken from a book "The Wonders of Apple Cider Vinegar and Honey".
Sure, I respect the hell out of all that. I don't think anyone who is STILL HERE and has clusters is a loser!
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Re: 19 year clusterhead now drug free!
« Reply #83 on: Sep 9th, 2004, 8:12am » |
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I'm with you Kevin M
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Re: 19 year clusterhead now drug free!
« Reply #84 on: Sep 9th, 2004, 9:04am » |
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This evilchopper guys biggest problem is that he was way to long winded. A bunch of us had ask hit to get to the point.
he never did. So he was discounted as having any information that was usable.and not worth the time.
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Re: 19 year clusterhead now drug free!
« Reply #85 on: Sep 9th, 2004, 10:15am » |
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Hey Off_roader....
There's no need to be in fear of reprisals here if you are sincere about what you are posting about.
When I first came here, I'm sure that I brought up a lot of stuff that has been covered millions of times.
The people here read my posts and politely told me where to find the info I need and also warned me that some things could cause a backlash of flaming if I started to come close to one of thos topics. They knew that I was just another person who was suffering and looking for advice.
After a while, It is very easy to spot trolls and snake oil salesmen just from the language of their posts. My posts didn't look like that and I survived.
If your post doesn't look like an ad for some miracle cure (be careful about using THAT word here), the people here will bend over backwards to help you in any way they can.
If you have advice on something that helped you, share it but always remember that what works for you may not work for someone else and that it also may have seemed to work becase you cycle ended. And NEVER use the word "cure".
It's unfortunate that you got ahold of a thread like evil choppers since his only intention for posting here in the first place was to stirr up crap. He has posted on this board repeatedly in the past using different names and he will be back again with a new one.
Read the other posts and see if you don't find some very good advice here.
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Re: 19 year clusterhead now drug free!
« Reply #86 on: Sep 9th, 2004, 1:31pm » |
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Thanks for your advice Pat. I am both sincere and unfamiliar and was writing my thoughts from a newbie's perspective. My inexperience with the board made me leary to post when I saw some of the negativism that existed in the thread. I was not aware that evil chopper had posted on this board repeatedly in the past using different names and I am now better educated. Thanks again for the constructive advice.
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« Reply #87 on: Sep 9th, 2004, 1:40pm » |
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Heres something to remember off_roader.
For every 1 person run outta here for posting bullshit, probably 50 get some assistance with legitimate posts.
No need to be leary around here if your on the level.
Now fuck off ! (joke, off_roader, joke) 
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Re: 19 year clusterhead now drug free!
« Reply #88 on: Sep 9th, 2004, 2:29pm » |
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I've been gone for 2 weeks and am just now reading all of this. I stopped at page two as I was feeling myself aging and not very gracefully.
This is all I have to say:
quote by Evilchopper
Quote:You deserve every attack you get!
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No TRUE cluster headache sufferer would EVER utter this sentance. 
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Re: 19 year clusterhead now drug free!
« Reply #89 on: Sep 9th, 2004, 3:40pm » |
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Amen, Linda - that made the hair on the back of my neck stand up too.
In my six years here I have never - repeat: NEVER - seen one clusterhead say that to another clusterhead. And you and I know there have been some DANDY go 'rounds here, but that wish is taboo, just never done! In fact, just the opposite. If i had a dollar for every clusterhead here offer to take another clusterhead's pain, I wouldn't have to work anymore.
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Re: 19 year clusterhead now drug free!
« Reply #90 on: Sep 9th, 2004, 3:57pm » |
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Wow I can't believe I finally got through all that!!! You most definatley got it right Linda 
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Re: 19 year clusterhead now drug free!
« Reply #91 on: Sep 9th, 2004, 5:02pm » |
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Ya know. No matter if this person had a legitimate thing going. The fact that he said that .....should be the end of this thread. Hopefully.
In mho of course. Linda
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Re: 19 year clusterhead now drug free!
« Reply #92 on: Sep 9th, 2004, 5:43pm » |
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Well one thing is for sure. If Chopper wanted to antagonize us or get attention he sure must be pleased with his results. This has been a very busy thread with all the bitching. I say we let this thread die.
From now on what would it hurt to let someone type away, post after post. Let them ramble. Then as soon as the snake oil, amonia, catshit or whatever comes up then we pounch before they can do any damage.
The fact is know matter what you think you know, we will never know if what Chopper was getting at might have helped someone. I'm willing to take that risk if all it requires is a little patience.
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« Reply #93 on: Sep 9th, 2004, 6:06pm » |
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To answer your question.
We dont let anyone spew something that will help us all post after post without getting to the damn point.
As you can see....the family is no no mood for that ever!!!
To us that is just someone fucking with us and alot of us have been here for years watching it....its bullshit!
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« Reply #94 on: Sep 9th, 2004, 7:35pm » |
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RIGHT!
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Re: 19 year clusterhead now drug free!
« Reply #95 on: Sep 9th, 2004, 9:07pm » |
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« Reply #96 on: Sep 9th, 2004, 10:27pm » |
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Right on..........................
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Re: 19 year clusterhead now drug free!
« Reply #97 on: Sep 10th, 2004, 4:32am » |
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Is it just me, or did this guy start another thread over on the medication board today?
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Re: 19 year clusterhead now drug free!
« Reply #98 on: Sep 10th, 2004, 8:45am » |
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on Sep 10th, 2004, 4:32am, clarence wrote:Is it just me, or did this guy start another thread over on the medication board today?
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It sure looks that way.
Same style. Same ranting. Same Part 1, part 2, part 3 keep on going kind of crap.
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Re: 19 year clusterhead now drug free!
« Reply #99 on: Sep 10th, 2004, 8:55am » |
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One thing for sure it keep me interesed in the boards.
Yes i also think this person is at it again.
A too full saliva gland ?????
i am not a dr but seems fishy to me.
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