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CH and Anxiety!
« on: Aug 11th, 2004, 2:17pm » |
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While doing a search for Lilly (the 3 yr. old with CH), I came across this. I found it interesting, as may some of you (although being chronic, am not sure if or how it would apply to me.)
http://www.vh.org/adult/patient/psychiatry/prose/clusterheadaches.html
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« Reply #1 on: Aug 11th, 2004, 2:35pm » |
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on Aug 11th, 2004, 2:17pm, alleyoop wrote:
Damn it!!!!!!!
There goes my thesis!!!!
I've said this over and over 
Seriously....
With such a potent aversive that we are subjected to (the attacks)
Anxiety certainly develops.
WE wind up being afraid to go into the public, thus effecting our lives: some can't work, some have problems with their relationships.
All because a big part of us is lost and and many succumb to the fear.
It takes a while to either get used to things or learn how to go about your daily life.
A big education in itself.
I'm going to make a bold statement.....
From a behavioral standpoint how we may develop anxiety:
Episodics might have this one over Chronics.
In the sense that as a chronic (unfortunately) you kinda know "this is how it is"
As an episodic, one has the fear of becoming chronic, the changes from cycle to cycle in duration and intensities, having to sometimes start all over each cycle.
This is an "intermittent negative reinforcement trap"
A negative reinforcer by definition is an aversive stimulus that when removed will increase the likelihood of a behavior reoccurring in it's presence.
So by having punishment(the aversive CH) intermittently placed upon us, we can actually have behaviors that are strengthened : don't work. don't go out, avoid this avoid that....
Along with the Condtioned Emotional Responding that goes along with the definition of anxiety: increased heart rate, sweats, shakes, etc.
You become trapped === Anxiety disorder all stemming from the fucking CH!!!!
That felt good to think again  Been a rough day (stayed home in fear fo having attack b/c they seem to be back after a 2 week hiatus)
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I will send my card to anyone who wants LOL
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Re: CH and Anxiety!
« Reply #2 on: Aug 11th, 2004, 2:46pm » |
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Saying CH might cause anxiety is like saying a bomb might create a sound.
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Re: CH and Anxiety!
« Reply #3 on: Aug 11th, 2004, 3:02pm » |
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on Aug 11th, 2004, 2:46pm, Superpain wrote:Saying CH might cause anxiety is like saying a bomb might create a sound.
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No shit !! 
It sounds easy to say this and the article was written or the study is being conducted by Psychiatrists/ MD's.
From a medical standpoint it really could be as simple as :
You cure CH you will cure Anxiety associated with it.
The problem is that we have no cure and many of the treatments don't work for some and those that do work for us don't always!!!
With Anxiety disorders we can treat using CBT(cognitive behavior therapy) / RET(Rational Emotive therapy).
Essentially reconditioning or desensitising a person to the aversive stimuli.
How the hell can you desensitize one to CH..
At this point we can't.
Not like Butterflies, or rodents, any other thing that people develop anxiety over! Atleast those you can systematically desensitize( gradually "show" a person that not harmful) or Implosion therapy being thrust into enormous amounts of the stimuli that after your heart attack you realize no big deal 
We're kinda fucked unfortunately.
What we can do is try to relax if this is possible not bug out. (for me almost impossible but I'm better at helping others than myself)
Try to realize that it will come to an end at some point and know how to kick its ass!!
This sucks!!!!!
Enjoy talking about it though. Feel like I'm working and took my mind off the pain for now.
Peace & can always pop a Xanax to alleviate the anxious feeling but only temporay 
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Re: CH and Anxiety!
« Reply #4 on: Aug 11th, 2004, 3:02pm » |
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on Aug 11th, 2004, 2:46pm, Superpain wrote:Saying CH might cause anxiety is like saying a bomb might create a sound.
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True, but they're saying (and Eric) that it may not be a one-way street, i.e. anxiety may be perpetuating CH (at least, that was my take on it).
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« Reply #5 on: Aug 11th, 2004, 3:08pm » |
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on Aug 11th, 2004, 3:02pm, alleyoop wrote:
True, but they're saying (and Eric) that it may not be a one-way street, i.e. anxiety may be perpetuating CH (at least, that was my take on it).
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I don't know... I'm kinda anxious right now.
To abort or not too? that's the question for me right now... To weak for meds (ithink) but wondering if it's gonna morph!!
yikes...
Maybe I'll tak e a Xanax and chill cause ya never know.
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« Reply #6 on: Aug 11th, 2004, 3:12pm » |
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on Aug 11th, 2004, 3:02pm, alleyoop wrote:
True, but they're saying (and Eric) that it may not be a one-way street, i.e. anxiety may be perpetuating CH (at least, that was my take on it).
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That's like saying the "boom" caused the explosion.
I don't buy it for a minute.
If anxiety were a trigger I'd never stop getting hit.
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« Reply #7 on: Aug 11th, 2004, 4:23pm » |
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many times I have thought about getting a Ch, and then WHAM! I got one. I think the anxiety does play a role. I try not to think about the next Ch so as not to set myself up for one.
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« Reply #8 on: Aug 11th, 2004, 4:32pm » |
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I don't necessarily think anxiety is a trigger but with the increase in blood pressure and body temperature it very well could be?? I definitely think CH causes anxiety!!
Who knows... The problem is that unfortunately we can't avoid it. YET!
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« Reply #9 on: Aug 11th, 2004, 4:36pm » |
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I have even tried valium to control anxiety. Didn't work worth a shit.
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« Reply #10 on: Aug 11th, 2004, 4:42pm » |
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on Aug 11th, 2004, 4:36pm, IndianaJohn wrote:| I have even tried valium to control anxiety. Didn't work worth a shit. |
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When I was peaking Xanax definitely took the edge off.
That's all it's really gonna do other than knock ya out if you take higher dosages...
I take a very low dosage just to ease me a bit.
Like now I'm a bit calmer
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« Reply #11 on: Aug 11th, 2004, 5:11pm » |
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I still think anxiety is a symptom... And I fuckin LOVE xanax wether I'm in or out of cycle... But I'm just a high anxiety kind of person.
Speaking of which... I'm out as of last night. SHIT!
Time to go to Mexico I guess...
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« Reply #12 on: Aug 11th, 2004, 5:30pm » |
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Xanax is pretty kick ass!
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« Reply #13 on: Aug 11th, 2004, 6:02pm » |
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Words of wisdom from kim: keep it simple stupid. I know. I blow my own sox off sumtimes.
Anyhow, just thought i'd let ya'll know i tried a xanax the other day I could not get over how absolutely HAPPY i was and how absolutely FUNNY everything i said was and life was just so absolutely WONDERFUL. Good thing i don't have them puppies layin around to pop at my leisure  Egads. Guess ole kimmer cawt a buzz Gheeeeeeeez!
what were we tawkin about? ..................oh yeah anxiety. Life's a bitch and then ya die. And no i'm not currently popping pills
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« Reply #14 on: Aug 11th, 2004, 6:09pm » |
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on Aug 11th, 2004, 6:02pm, kimh wrote:Words of wisdom from kim: keep it simple stupid. I know. I blow my own sox off sumtimes.
Anyhow, just thought i'd let ya'll know i tried a xanax the other day I could not get over how absolutely HAPPY i was and how absolutely FUNNY everything i said was and life was just so absolutely WONDERFUL. Good thing i don't have them puppies layin around to pop at my leisure Egads. Guess ole kimmer cawt a buzz Gheeeeeeeez!
what were we tawkin about? ..................oh yeah anxiety. Life's a bitch and then ya die. And no i'm not currently popping pills
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« Reply #15 on: Aug 11th, 2004, 6:13pm » |
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Well now.....gotta get me some of that shit fo' sure...maybe life will be just a little bit better....
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« Reply #16 on: Aug 11th, 2004, 6:18pm » |
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on Aug 11th, 2004, 6:13pm, IndianaJohn wrote:| Well now.....gotta get me some of that shit fo' sure...maybe life will be just a little bit better.... |
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I never experienced what Kim has but definitely eases the jitters =
 at lesat enough so that I can battle
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« Reply #17 on: Aug 11th, 2004, 6:29pm » |
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on Aug 11th, 2004, 6:13pm, IndianaJohn wrote:| Well now.....gotta get me some of that shit fo' sure...maybe life will be just a little bit better.... |
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It doesn't make life "better", it just makes you stop worrying about the stupid shit, so it doesn't seem so bad.
So if perception is reality... I guess it does make life "better"... 
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« Reply #18 on: Aug 11th, 2004, 6:30pm » |
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And "yes" I'd like some please...
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« Reply #19 on: Aug 11th, 2004, 7:01pm » |
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Oprah has this chick on right now that is talking about being an "addict"... They're going on and on about recovery and relapses, etc. And I'm wondering what it is she's addicted to... Oxycontin? Cocaine? Meth?
No. Xanax...
I agree it can be habit forming. But as a recovering addict of "real" drugs, I can't help but find her plight somewhat overblown and trivial.
I don't know... Maybe I'm affected differently. Maybe it's because I have a shitload of anxiety pretty much all the time. 
But I'm out of xanax right now. And as much as it sux, it's not going to affect my life detrimentally one way or another. I may be more anxious and stressed. I may not sleep as well. But it's not like I'm gonna freak out or anything...
They're just making it sooo dramatic.
There's a difference in habit forming and addictive.
If she has this much problem with xanax, she'd be dead if she were me.
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« Reply #20 on: Aug 11th, 2004, 7:52pm » |
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on Aug 11th, 2004, 7:01pm, Superpain wrote:Oprah has this chick on right now that is talking about being an "addict"... They're going on and on about recovery and relapses, etc. And I'm wondering what it is she's addicted to... Oxycontin? Cocaine? Meth?
No. Xanax...
I agree it can be habit forming. But as a recovering addict of "real" drugs, I can't help but find her plight somewhat overblown and trivial.
I don't know... Maybe I'm affected differently. Maybe it's because I have a shitload of anxiety pretty much all the time.
But I'm out of xanax right now. And as much as it sux, it's not going to affect my life detrimentally one way or another. I may be more anxious and stressed. I may not sleep as well. But it's not like I'm gonna freak out or anything...
They're just making it sooo dramatic.
There's a difference in habit forming and addictive.
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I completely agree!!!!!!!!!!!
Some people make so much of addiction and of course it is a problem but many can overcome and be totally fine!!
I am a statsitic!
I had a true addiction to booze (partied on many a fun stuff but k-hol was the only one which developed a problem) I dove head first into a bottle of Yukon Jack (after we found one of our fraternity brothers dead in the living room from a shot gun blast to the head) and didnt come out for a couple of years...
Wake up with the fever, shakes and sweats and the only thing that is going to make that go away is another drink!! Thus addiction...
These days I can actually have a drink or 7 and know when to quit. I have never relapsed over the past 8 years!!!
People are going to deal with trauma, anxiety etc. in many ways some may be harmful to themselves and others may not.
For this woman on Oprah to have a problem with Xanax of all drugs.... Come on!!!!!!!!
Yes it can be addicting but not nearly as much as most heavy narcotics.
Take it light,
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« Reply #21 on: Aug 11th, 2004, 8:22pm » |
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Another 2cents worth...I seem to recall that for people that are experiencing chronic pain, addiction may not always oocur. Case in point. My wife had a collapsed L5/S1 disc (the last and biggest disc at the base of your spine) and she was on vicodens for at 6 to 7 months . She never developed an addiction and when the time came was able to go without. Addiction works in diffferent ways in all of us I guess but I seem to recall hearing evidence that people in severe pain are not as suseptible as others might think. I have had my own addiction problems in the past and made it through with alot of out patient therapy.
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« Reply #22 on: Aug 11th, 2004, 10:30pm » |
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I take xanax for anxiety due to clusters have for a couple of years now. Plus my antidepressent is due to depression and anxiety caused by ch. lovely illness we suffer from.
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« Reply #23 on: Aug 12th, 2004, 4:00am » |
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Eric, xanax is not addicting. It's habit forming for some...
Difference is habit forming = if you've got it around, you'll do it even if you may not need it. Addicted = you're gonna do it even if you don't have it around.
Habit forming= you're bummed when you run out...
Addicted = you are going to experience withdrawl symptoms when you run out, not only psychological but physical as well. ie; heroin, you may DIE without it. That is addicted.
Heroin is the one drug I've never done intentionally. Intentionally means I've intentionally stayed away from it, but it also means I've unintentionally taken it when it was in X... Commonly known as "smack tabs". I didn't develop a life threatening addiction to these tabs, but I did do enough to feel physical withdrawls. I've been addicted to speed, coke (in all forms of use), occasionally with situations like bad teeth I've developed dependency on narcs... Let's see... What else is there? Alcohol... I'd say so, but not so bad that it controls me or ruins my life. Basically, if it's addictive I've been addicted to it.
And I can admit that I have a xanax habit... I usually take a bar about every night, and maybe a half of one (1mg) during some days, or whenever I get anxiety basically... Without it after months (yrs on and off) of taking it will I have any psychological withdrawl? Possibly... Is it going to make me sick? No.... Am I gonna do ANYTHING to get it? NO. Am I gonna worry about it? No... I'll just worry about everything else in the meantime. 
It helps overcome anxiety in a way nothing else does. I have alot of anxiety because of the way my brain works. I love it, finding relief!
I mean WTF!? How do you get to the point you are on Oprah telling your sob story about being addicted to xanax and how it's "ruined" your life!? They must've been mormon or something.
What's the worst that could happen? You pass out at a family gathering? I guess driving's not a good idea...
I do tend to break alot of shit on accident when I'm xan'd out... That's about as bad as it get's for me. Otherwise I'm a much nicer person to be around for the most part. Less stress, no anxiety, no temper, patience is in abundance.... I don't get it.
Opioids, meth, coke? Yes, I can understand.
Xanax ruined your life? How the hell did that happen?
That's like saying a popsicle ruined your day in July.
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Re: CH and Anxiety!
« Reply #24 on: Aug 12th, 2004, 4:49am » |
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Sorry for being thick guys! - Marcs takes valium (we get it on black market - not GP) to help sometimes. Is that the same as xanax?
A lot of our drugs are called different things over here and i was just wondering if xanax and valium are one and the same?
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