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Re: nauseous clusterheads unite!
« Reply #75 on: Aug 15th, 2004, 7:19pm » |
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There is always that moment, after the dust settles, to re-evaluate in a less emotional way, what anyone might have meant by what they wrote. This is especially true for ourselves, individually. No one knows what our thoughts were better then we do.
It is early morning where I live, after a pain free night though yesterday was a tough one. I have spent the last couple of hours wading through most of the posts here, and on the other threads, where applicable, paying special attention to my own words.
First, and foremost, I apologize to the BB members in general. It always takes two or more to argue, and in that, I failed miserably by not derailing this brouhaha early on. I should have just kept silent. Those posts that are rude, or that are rooted in anger, or hubris, or prejudice, or whatever...are likely to be apparent to anyone of intelligence. While it is intelligence that I seek here, it is not my role to admonish anyone. For that, I also apologize.
As I sifted through the posts, I also re-read all the words of all of the opposition. Those that posted in a manner that was not insulting, did so with impunity from me. In them there are bits of intelligence amidst the hyperbole. It is my own failing not to recognize this earlier. My aim is to not make that mistake again, and in my own private way, give credit where credit is due.
I urge all BB members to refrain from trash talk, and I admonish myself for letting anger overcome me. That one post I regret the most. I sincerely believe it is counter productive and inappropriate on a BB like this to use language that is still widely regarded as unacceptable. For some readers, it is certain to drive them away.
I would also urge all BB members to refrain from denigrating other posters. It isn't a requirement to winning a debate or a point in a disgreement... that one must focus on negating another. The only outcome of denigration is to dilute the true purpose of this BB.
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Re: nauseous clusterheads unite!
« Reply #77 on: Aug 15th, 2004, 8:02pm » |
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« Reply #78 on: Aug 15th, 2004, 8:23pm » |
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« Reply #80 on: Aug 15th, 2004, 9:47pm » |
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ex_pat, could you translate your post into plain English?
Or did you need that many $10 words to pep up your vapid hogwash?
Please note, we can't grant you impunity for not recognizing, that this is a clusterheadache site, and post about meegraine treatments are utterly unwelcome.
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Re: nauseous clusterheads unite!
« Reply #81 on: Aug 15th, 2004, 10:40pm » |
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on Aug 15th, 2004, 8:01pm, don wrote:
A little round copper ball, usually .177 or .22 caliber, that you load your air rifle with. 
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Re: nauseous clusterheads unite!
« Reply #82 on: Aug 15th, 2004, 10:45pm » |
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hahahahahahahahaha good one
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Re: nauseous clusterheads unite!
« Reply #83 on: Aug 15th, 2004, 11:19pm » |
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I though he was quite articulate!!!
Well done.
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Re: nauseous clusterheads unite!
« Reply #84 on: Aug 16th, 2004, 12:57am » |
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Dude, lose the "better than thou" attitude and the "communicating as a learned scribe speaking down to the commoners aura" and people might 1. believe you and 2. accept your apology and 3. listen to what you have to say.
You need to recognize there are people of many different educational levels here. I'll be the first to admit I'm no genius. Nobody, including me, likes to read a post with a dictionary. We do enough of that looking up research data to answer our questions.
You also need to recognize that there are many people of many nationalities who are trying to communicate in the same language which (surprise, surprise) may not be their first language.
We communicate in a sort of "common speak" here. You can show your enormous intelligence by being able to communicate on the level of the general audience - not by alienating yourself by using big words demeaning attitudes.
Here's how your post reads to me. 41 year old, white, American male, High School education with some college courses but no degree.
on Aug 15th, 2004, 7:19pm, ex_pat_asia wrote:There is always that moment, after the dust settles, to re-evaluate in a less emotional way, what anyone might have meant by what they wrote. This is especially true for ourselves, individually. No one knows what our thoughts were better then we do.
Sometimes people get fired up and say things that might be misinterpreted by others.
It is early morning where I live, after a pain free night though yesterday was a tough one. I have spent the last couple of hours wading through most of the posts here, and on the other threads, where applicable, paying special attention to my own words.
I went back over what I said here and in other posts.
First, and foremost, I apologize to the BB members in general. It always takes two or more to argue, and in that, I failed miserably by not derailing this brouhaha early on. I should have just kept silent. Those posts that are rude, or that are rooted in anger, or hubris, or prejudice, or whatever...are likely to be apparent to anyone of intelligence. While it is intelligence that I seek here, it is not my role to admonish anyone. For that, I also apologize.
I apologize to everyone in general. It takes two to tango and I kept right on when I should have stopped. Anyone with any intelligence will recognize where the problem was and that was not with me. It's not my place to put down those of you who are less intelligent. It's not your fault. I'm sorry.
As I sifted through the posts, I also re-read all the words of all of the opposition. Those that posted in a manner that was not insulting, did so with impunity from me. In them there are bits of intelligence amidst the hyperbole. It is my own failing not to recognize this earlier. My aim is to not make that mistake again, and in my own private way, give credit where credit is due.
I re-read your posts, too. Those that agreed with me went unpunished. Some of the rest of you ignorant slobs may have shown a spark of intelligence, as well. I was too hung up on myself to see that. In all, I should have known better than to think I could have gotten an intelligent discussion here. I'll know better next time.
I urge all BB members to refrain from trash talk, and I admonish myself for letting anger overcome me. That one post I regret the most. I sincerely believe it is counter productive and inappropriate on a BB like this to use language that is still widely regarded as unacceptable. For some readers, it is certain to drive them away.
You shouldn't be talking smack. I kick myself for lowering myself to your levels. You shouldn't use that bad language, either. Some people may not like it and go away.
I would also urge all BB members to refrain from denigrating other posters. It isn't a requirement to winning a debate or a point in a disgreement... that one must focus on negating another. The only outcome of denigration is to dilute the true purpose of this BB.
You also shouldn't talk bad about others. (Like I did, but I'll never admit it)
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The whole damned post is a way overly worded "YOU" message. You can't apologize and use the word YOU.
Once more - with feeling this time.
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Re: nauseous clusterheads unite!
« Reply #85 on: Aug 16th, 2004, 8:13am » |
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Language and its subsequent interpretations is truly a thing of beauty - especially when reflected through the rare connection of pain.
It seems i did not need a dictionary for any words uddered here.
Facinating.......
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« Reply #86 on: Aug 16th, 2004, 8:32am » |
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Re: nauseous clusterheads unite!
« Reply #87 on: Aug 16th, 2004, 11:30am » |
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on Aug 15th, 2004, 9:47pm, Ueli wrote:ex_pat, could you translate your post into plain English?
Or did you need that many $10 words to pep up your vapid hogwash? Please note, we can't grant you impunity for not recognizing, that this is a clusterheadache site, and post about meegraine treatments are utterly unwelcome. |
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Ueli, so noted though I am not seeking impunity from you specifically for anything and if you think you have been punitive then I am afraid you have grossly overestimated yourself. I simply apologized to you because my earliest remarks to you were uncalled for and were off the mark.
Quote: You also need to recognize that there are many people of many nationalities who are trying to communicate in the same language which (surprise, surprise) may not be their first language.
We communicate in a sort of "common speak" here. You can show your enormous intelligence by being able to communicate on the level of the general audience - not by alienating yourself by using big words demeaning attitudes.
Here's how your post reads to me. 41 year old, white, American male, High School education with some college courses but no degree. |
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« Reply #88 on: Aug 16th, 2004, 11:35am » |
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Quote:I though he was quite articulate!!!
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Read between the lines.
He's still trying to regulate the board.
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Re: nauseous clusterheads unite!
« Reply #89 on: Aug 16th, 2004, 3:15pm » |
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kimh i would have to agree with you.
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Re: nauseous clusterheads unite!
« Reply #90 on: Aug 17th, 2004, 12:55am » |
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on Aug 16th, 2004, 11:35am, don wrote:
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Don, I'm not, and you read too much "between the lines". I have no interest in tilting at windmills which is what "trying to regulate" this board would be. There is no "regulator's button" for me to push. That responsibility falls to DJ without question.
Actually when you think about it, it is one of the built in beauties of this or any BB-- that diverse opinions can be expressed. I guess it isn't unusual for those diverse opinions to break out into a donnybrook such as we have had. It all depends on the restraint on the part of the posters. Again-- I repeat-- I apologize for my lack of restraint. Full stop. Whether or not you, or anyone else for that matter, accepts it, that is all that it is. It isn't material to me that you do or don't. I am simply meeting an obligation that I felt I had incurred on my own.
If, when you say "trying to regulate the board" you mean "trying to infuence the board" then for sure...mea culpa. We all express our ideas with that purpose in mind to some degree don't we? Whether our remarks are aimed at a specific poster or at the board in general is also immaterial. The flip side of this is, of course, that the readers can do with the information whatever they like. That is the balance in this system that makes it truly beautiful. i.e. --You post then I a) post back kudos b) post back scorn c) say thanks and act on the advise or info d) disregard and stay silent e) puke, or whatever. The possibilities are endless.
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« Reply #91 on: Aug 17th, 2004, 1:45am » |
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Good Gawd
Even I had to look that one up!
To save the rest of you doing it.
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parish and suburb of Dublin, Co. Dublin, Republic of Ireland. It was famous for its annual fair, licensed by King John of England in 1204 and later suppressed because of its drunken disorderliness. The disorder gave rise to the term “donnybrook,” meaning an uproarious brawl.
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Re: nauseous clusterheads unite!
« Reply #92 on: Aug 17th, 2004, 1:51am » |
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And now we have to use little words???? Dam (I shortened the longer version by a letter to demostrate my willingness to participte properly, so don't anyone give me a spelling lame)
Now I get it!!! Migraine has 8 letters and cluster only has 7. We are suffering from letter envey!! 
The fact remains...
A thread marked "IMPORTANT" about a child with clusters has had 54 replies and this one is now over 90 replies.
Hence forth, I'll try to limit my posts to only conjugations and 4 letter words.
and with that I have yet but to say only,
good nite,
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Re: nauseous clusterheads unite!
« Reply #93 on: Aug 17th, 2004, 8:55am » |
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Some of us have better writting skills than others.... It's not my case because english is not my primairy language... Still got 2 college degree though... Write as you are dude... I've got no problem with that... I'll miss the meaning of some words for sure but i'll understand the general meaning... but dude remember... like my mother (and Lynard Skinard) use to say... Baby be a Simple Kind Of Man... humility is sometimes your best partner in life...
For me, you shoud have let this thread die... 
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Re: nauseous clusterheads unite!
« Reply #94 on: Aug 17th, 2004, 9:25am » |
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on Aug 17th, 2004, 8:55am, Pegase wrote:
For me, you shoud have let this thread die...
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That's what I said WAY back on page 3
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on Aug 16th, 2004, 12:57am, Gator wrote: " You can't apologize and use the word YOU.
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Your Wrong you fukken idiot!
ooops,,did I say that?
I apologize if I offended YOU.
Gator you know I'm just messin with ya here.I just
wanted to make a point about how what we say and
the way we mean it aren't always clear in type.
There are good and bad posts from the same posters,
several of them anyway,in this thread.I could pick apart
all those points.That's just not my style.I don't get involved in this kind of shit because I type slow and it's
just not worth my time.What would it solve anyway?
The only reason I even replied was because I felt that
the point I am trying to show is one that many,both
readers and posters,need to remind themselves of.NO
I am not pointing fingers at anyone or group specificaly.
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Re: nauseous clusterheads unite!
« Reply #96 on: Aug 18th, 2004, 5:09am » |
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Why you insolent pup. I ought to... LOL I just can't do it. 
I agree, Billy. Sometimes it's hard to gleen the true meaning out of a person's words. It doesn't help that our interpretation is usually colored by our moods and our own differing experiences. Partial quotes (eh-hem) and words used out of context can also alter the meaning of a person's statement, which either intentional or unintentional can cause emotions to flare.
No offense taken here.
PFDAN to you. Beyotch!
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Re: nauseous clusterheads unite!
« Reply #97 on: Aug 18th, 2004, 12:19pm » |
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on Aug 16th, 2004, 11:30am, ex_pat_asia wrote:| In other words, I am a sort of wannabee writer, not making a living at it nor even trying but I enjoy writing about things that I feel a passion for. |
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Some people talk just to hear themselves talk. That being said, I don't believe that is necessarily the case with you ex_pat. I, personally have no problem whatsoever with your writing style. I think all gator is saying is with all kinds of people reading these boards, a little less pedanticism may ingratiate you more with the masses.
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Re: nauseous clusterheads unite!
« Reply #98 on: Aug 20th, 2004, 12:33am » |
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on Aug 16th, 2004, 12:57am, Gator wrote:
You also need to recognize that there are many people of many nationalities who are trying to communicate in the same language which (surprise, surprise) may not be their first language.
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I recently just found this thread...and will post more on it in a bit...but first I just *had* to comment here....
Gator...have an idea what an "ex_pat" is?
Just to give you a hint...it is a person living outside their own country...I would dare say that ex_pat_asian is MORE than well aware of the fact that there are posters here that do not use English as a first (or even second) language...fact of the matter is this gentleman is LIVING in a country where there is all likely hood that he does not speak THEIR language...so is much more in tune with the problem than you could ever be...
Fact of the matter is, I have found that persons with limited English usage often take the time to READ the post, and the effort to UNDERSTAND what is being said before going off half cocked...
What ex_pat_asian writes is both clear, and understandable by many that are not EFL skilled...
It seems to be only Americans (Americans do seem, for the most part, to be very lazy when it comes to language skills.....and do not try taking that as an insult...I am one also) that may have a problem with what he writes
Do like most of the people I deal with daily do when faced with a few words that they do not know or use regularly...learn from it...don't be frightened or offended by it....
I talk with people everyday that know very, very little English, and I know very little of their language...and nether of us become upset when words are used that we both may not know....
Sorry to comment and add fuel to this already hot fire...but it was just such a riot seeing someone that most likely has never stepped foot outside of the state that they were born in attempt to explain non-English speakers to a person who is living in a culture so far removed to anything that they could imagine as to be unreal....
If I am wrong, and Gator you have indeed spent the good part of your life traveling, accept my apologies...but having spent the good part of MY life living in other countries and dealing with other cultures and have learned to be pretty good at spotting those that then to stay close to home...
Now..back to the bar-be-que! God, this is going to be fun…Not.
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« Reply #99 on: Aug 20th, 2004, 4:07am » |
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Too many words
Verbosity kills clarity in any language
The fewer, the clearer
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