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Lissa
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How many of you on the board have ever been diagnosed with depression? Just curious if there is a correlation between depression and CHs.
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I've never been diagnosed with depression although I can see how a CH sufferer can become depressed. CH has litterally sucked most the social life right out of me. CH for me feels like being in a car wreck and putting my head through the windshield ... a few times everyday. Then you wake up and know it's going to happen again. When you start to feel like no one can help ... depression sets in. A neurologists told one ... " You WILL eventually gain control " ... that one sentence has really helped me out alot. Keep your head high because you WILL eventually gain control too ! 
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Re: Depression
« Reply #2 on: Aug 27th, 2003, 2:37pm » |
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I guess what I meant was has anyone here been diagnosed with depression NOT resulting from cluster headaches?
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My take is CH = Depression, yes.
Depression = CH, no.
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Re: Depression
« Reply #4 on: Aug 27th, 2003, 2:50pm » |
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CH and depression both involve messed up serotonin levels. Somebody else will have to refine this link for ya.
Oh, and some anitdepressents will stop clusters in some people (Elavil).
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I have had serious bouts of depression for years and lots of suicidual thoughts before the onset of the CH. I've taken Zoloft for over a year and am taking the elavil now as a preventative. My mom has it bad, whether it's passed down I don't know. I like the way Lee said it that depression equals CH - No. There's plenty out to depress you besides CH.
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Sprinkle a little Lithium on your cornflakes in the morning and youll be good to go ;D
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Re: Depression
« Reply #7 on: Aug 27th, 2003, 3:37pm » |
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on Aug 27th, 2003, 3:32pm, stuey wrote:| There's plenty out to depress you besides CH. |
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That's for sure!
I've been on Prozac, Zoloft, Effexor and now Celexa. Celexa seems to be working pretty well for me.
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Re: Depression
« Reply #8 on: Aug 27th, 2003, 3:42pm » |
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on Aug 27th, 2003, 3:36pm, jonny wrote:| Sprinkle a little Lithium on your cornflakes in the morning and youll be good to go ;D |
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You're too funny!!! lol
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Re: Depression
« Reply #9 on: Aug 27th, 2003, 4:01pm » |
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I have battled with pretty serious manic-depressive issues (now adays called bipolar) for years before the onset of CH. I'm not conviced that they are mutually exclusive nor that they are intertwined.
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Re: Depression
« Reply #10 on: Aug 27th, 2003, 6:01pm » |
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I haven't been diagnosed, but I know the times that I was depressed. All I had to do to get out of it was getting the CH diagnose and starting to fight the beast with some serious artillerie. So far so good...
I think I posted this earier, but recent studies in Holland and Belgium have shown that CH is related to a lack of certain brain hormones that cause the vessels to expand. The main suspected hormones are testosteron, serotonin and melatonin; the last two being also related to depression, as these two regulate the sense of well-being in the mind. This would show a relation between CH and depression. Im hoping to read more about this soon.
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Re: Depression
« Reply #11 on: Aug 27th, 2003, 6:10pm » |
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Jewel, I had a massive panic attack which landed me in the hospital via an ambulance. After that the doc put me on Paxil. Paxil is used by some to control the CH. I had my first bout with CH after disconinuing the Paxil. I am still (in my mind .. not research based) sure that the imbalance of Serotin caused by disconinuing the Paxil brought on the cluster headaches. I will never again touch a Serotin enhancer in my life. I've gone over a year without a cluster ............ and am loving life !!!!!!!!! I think Serotonin levels are the key ........ but that is just MHO.
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Re: Depression
« Reply #12 on: Aug 27th, 2003, 6:31pm » |
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I've been a Clusterhead for 27 years now - 8 years ago i got my first panic anxiety/attack - and since may 2003 I've taken Lexapro. I went into a new CH cycle in the beginning of August and it lasted 22 days - I've been PF 4 days now.
What I'm trying to say = NO change in my CH at all after taking Lexapor - same pattern as ALWAYS! 3 weeks of CH and that's it... no changes for me.
I'm SO happy this cycle is over. I even had 3 glasses of red wine this evening and NOTHING happened... lucky me!
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Re: Depression
« Reply #13 on: Aug 27th, 2003, 6:47pm » |
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Quote:| I'm SO happy this cycle is over. I even had 3 glasses of red wine this evening and NOTHING happened... lucky me! |
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Re: Depression
« Reply #14 on: Aug 27th, 2003, 7:08pm » |
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Jewel,
I was taking Zoloft for depression while out of a cycle, The meds helped the depression a lot but two months after starting I started an early cycle. The cycle wasn't too bad and it stopped one week after stopping zoloft. I don't know what caused the early cycle as I started another cycle three months later. Why my depression became severe while PF is beyond me. But I will becareful before I take antidepressants again for a while.
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Re: Depression
« Reply #15 on: Aug 27th, 2003, 8:33pm » |
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Re: Depression
« Reply #16 on: Aug 27th, 2003, 9:41pm » |
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I had an emotional breakdown back in '88, which sent me into a major bout with depression. I was put on Trazadone, which I take to this day. (The depression lifted over time, but my sleep clock never got straightened out.
Didn't get CH's until '92.
A connection between the two? I've wondered the same thing myself, Jewell, but somehow I kinda doubt it.
BTW, I am curious to hear more about other's experiences with Paxil. My doc wants me to try and get off the Trazadone - (which is fine with me), but he put me on Paxil -- fairly low dose (25 mg.)
Feedback on this is most welcome!
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Re: Depression
« Reply #17 on: Aug 27th, 2003, 10:06pm » |
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Jewel
I have been diagnosed with depression on a few occasions.
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I will never touch Paxil again. Discontinuing it wrecked me for a long time afterward. I've cursed it on this board in the past, would rather not go into it here again. I'm sure it has positive effects for some people with certain problems, but my experience with it was downright SCARY.
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Re: Depression
« Reply #18 on: Aug 27th, 2003, 10:17pm » |
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Depression with a capital "D" is the real thing and from the meds you mentioned, your doc must have diagnosed it. I have had CH's for a long time but experiencing Depression is not my makeup. I go emotionally numb when I go over the edge. Just take Jonny's advice and keep on truckin.
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Re: Depression
« Reply #19 on: Aug 27th, 2003, 10:25pm » |
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Jewel, look up 5ht. Lots of discussion about serotonin and the links therin.
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Re: Depression
« Reply #20 on: Aug 27th, 2003, 11:06pm » |
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StanTheMan......I know people on paxil doin jus fine......esp a few guys on and staying on "low doses" under 25 mgs. I have a girlfreind that is up to 75 mgs a day.......I couldn't imagine that . I curse the word and cringe. But I was on 40 mgs for over 2 yrs....got to where I didn't want to do anything anymore which is NOT LIKE ME. So my reason for takeing it was being defeated.....I wasn't happy with myself at how I looked (weight gain) which I could NOT handle. I had NO emotions anymore.....NONE.....could NOT cry or feel too upset about anything. It was time to get off that stuff cuz I was developeing new problems cuz of it big time. I quit takeing it within about a 3 day stretch and got VERY ill. Was shakey and weak......my hair got really dull and began to come out in patches.....I had a hard time gettin back into the swing of things and haveing a good time.......after about 6 months I was able to loose the weight I'd gain'd but lost 18 lbs in about 3 weeks.....ouch. Now I had to deal with feeling horrible and exhausted.....lookin sickly and feelin sick and lost about a year goin thru all that. Panic feelings ect started to come back all of a sudden too fast but took a good 6 months......thru me into anuther loop hole. Everyone is different so do what is best for you. Have you ever tried Celexa ? Have heard it doesn't cause the weight gain and not as hard to quit and works rather quickly. Paxil may work for you tho....it does work fast....but you need to recognize when it has become a problem in due time. Good luck to ya.....I don't mean to stear you away from it or doin what yer doc suggests. Jus pay attention....and maybe some of this info will help. Pam the anti-paxil-child
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Re: Depression
« Reply #21 on: Aug 28th, 2003, 7:26am » |
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on Aug 27th, 2003, 8:33pm, cootie wrote:| paxil baaaaaaaaaaaaaad................................... |
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Effexor....................reeeaaallly baaaaaaaaaaaad!!
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Re: Depression
« Reply #22 on: Aug 28th, 2003, 7:29am » |
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on Aug 27th, 2003, 9:41pm, StanTheMan wrote:| I was put on Trazadone, which I take to this day........My doc wants me to try and get off the Trazadone.... |
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Trazodone is a wonder drug. Oh, never mind, that's clonazapam. ;D
P.S. I would not try Paxil. I've heard many horror stories. Also heard that withdrawal is just as bad as Effexor. Effexor and Paxil are bad, bad, bad.
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Re: Depression
« Reply #23 on: Aug 28th, 2003, 7:33am » |
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I have not been diagnosed with depression, but I have been diagnosed with panic attacks, and I take Effexor, and it has made such a difference in my life, no more terrifying "heart flutters" (not sure what else to call them) and losing my breath. I have had CH since I was 12 years old and this is the first time I have been diagnosed with some kind of mental disorder, I don't attribute my panic attacks with CH, but maybe depression is related.
I guess I'm totally off the subject of depression, huh? Sorry, I just wanted to join in on the discussion... 
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Re: Depression
« Reply #24 on: Aug 28th, 2003, 7:40am » |
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Only depression i experienced was due to CH, had panic attacks, before was diagnosed, but once i knew what was happenning ( ie CH), they stopped, i know it is easy to say, but Jonny is right, you gotta keep trucking, fight it. long bouts of CH are bound to get to you in the end, even the strongest of us will admit to that.
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