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Re: extreme downside to shroom's
« Reply #1 on: Dec 16th, 2002, 3:06pm » |
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The whole situation is highly abnormal, but a fine example of why individuals who are mentally unstable to begin with should NOT take hallucinogens.
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Re: extreme downside to shroom's
« Reply #2 on: Dec 16th, 2002, 4:05pm » |
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Pappy,
Sadly, this kind of journalism perpetuates the myths that people associate with drugs like LSD and mushrooms.
The article makes some pretty outlandish, and negative, claims about mushrooms.
"The drug typically causes a feeling of panic or paranoia, and possibly a feeling of euphoria."
Huh? That's just not true. It's like they are saying 'will produce panic or paranoia, but there's a chance it might produce euphoria'. That's just stupid journalism.
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"Long-term effects of the drug aren't known, except it can cause flashbacks. A person not under the influence of the drug will mentally flash back to a prior place he's been, black out and then return to normal without knowing what happened."
Total BS. "Beware, if you take this you'll suffer uncontrolled trips to the past for the rest of your life". Hogwash. I've never heard or seen this actually happen. I must have blacked out and forgotten.
Anyway, I know the point is to alert people to the dangers, but this article isn't credible in the least.
Hallucinigens are clearly dangerous when not used properly. So is Oxygen. Ask your Oxygen delivery guy how many patients he has seen with burns around their mouth because they refuse to use Oxygen safely. Smokers (who, funny coincidence, tend to need a lot of Oxygen with they get sick) are notorious for forgetting that Oxygen is highly flammable, and routinly end up with burns about the head and face.
Both sides, my friend.
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Re: extreme downside to shroom's
« Reply #3 on: Dec 16th, 2002, 4:37pm » |
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Very well thought out, Fubar.
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Re: extreme downside to shroom's
« Reply #4 on: Dec 16th, 2002, 4:37pm » |
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Sailpappy.......I have to agree with Fu on this one,
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"Long-term effects of the drug aren't known, except it can cause flashbacks. A person not under the influence of the drug will mentally flash back to a prior place he's been, black out and then return to normal without knowing what happened."
??? Thing I wanna know is.....If he didn,t know what happened ....how the **** does anyone else ???
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Re: extreme downside to shroom's
« Reply #5 on: Dec 16th, 2002, 5:17pm » |
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Fu... O2 isn't flammable.
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Re: extreme downside to shroom's
« Reply #6 on: Dec 16th, 2002, 5:53pm » |
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When 02 saturates your clothing, bed linen or furniture and you light a match.....BOOM!!!!!!
Consider you and anything in the room toast city.
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Re: extreme downside to shroom's
« Reply #7 on: Dec 16th, 2002, 6:10pm » |
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Drk -
The technical wording of "being" combustible vs. "supports" combustion or "accelerates" combustion is of very little comfort to burn victims.
I think the point was to remind people to be careful.....
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Re: extreme downside to shroom's
« Reply #8 on: Dec 16th, 2002, 6:26pm » |
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Just stating a fact Marc. Didn't mean to insult any burn victims or anything.
It does go to show how an incomplete understanding of a substance can lead to misinformation, such as the reporter's interpretation of the effects of shrooms. Making a statement without the proper facts devaluates the statement. The article should have been a valid statement on the possible negative effects of shrooms, but was devaluated by the inaccurate comments by the reporter.
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Re: extreme downside to shroom's
« Reply #10 on: Dec 16th, 2002, 6:40pm » |
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Drk,
I wasn't stating that Oxygen is flammable, just that Oxygen users can find themselves on fire if they aren't careful! Oxygen rich environments are highly dangerous because Oxygen is one of the three key ingredients for fire. You need Fuel, Oxygen, and sufficiently high temperature. Anytime you have a high concentration of any one of these three, you have a potentially dangerous situation.
Most of us use Oxygen safely. Those who have had accidents with it are either to embarrassed to say so, or are recovering from severe burns.
My original point is, I could have written an equally worthless article on the DANGERS of OXYGEN use, citing useless facts or making up some of my own as the original author seems to have done.
Sure, shrooms can be dangerous. So can Oxygen.
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Re: extreme downside to shroom's
« Reply #11 on: Dec 16th, 2002, 6:40pm » |
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Yep, that's the way it starts. A little fungus at a party. Then it's on to the devil water, the good old booze. Before you know it, you're another statistic of "Reefer Madness"!
You go out and sell your body to the bums on the street just to get enough money for your next beer. Then one night, in a fit of panic, you kill your Grandma and steal her stash.
It's a dark road you're heading down. Get thy to Betty Ford, now!
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Re: extreme downside to shroom's
« Reply #12 on: Dec 16th, 2002, 6:46pm » |
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on Dec 16th, 2002, 6:26pm, Drk^Angel wrote:
It does go to show how an incomplete understanding of a substance can lead to misinformation
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Like a newbie reading your post, getting some 02 and sparking up a butt only to be burned to death along with family members?
I dont want a pissing match, DRK.....but you got to becareful about not giving the whole deal.
By saying 02 cannot burn you to death is bull!!
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Re: extreme downside to shroom's
« Reply #13 on: Dec 16th, 2002, 6:51pm » |
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Thank you Slammy... That story shows the dangers of uncontrolled use of controlled substances very well.
Calm down a bit Fu... I was just nit-pickin' on where you did indeed claim Oxygen is highly flammable. I think we all knew what you meant.
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Re: extreme downside to shroom's
« Reply #14 on: Dec 16th, 2002, 6:54pm » |
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i'm real happy to read the various responses to this post because the first time i read it i was quite bummed out thinking linda (my wife and supporter) was going to read this article making it even harder for me to give this a try. i have gotta tell ya i for one have every intention of trying anything that might work. as you know pappy i happen to have another medical condition that is much more likely to be fatal then clusters will ever be, but as i think you know the ch's are far and away the more serious of the two as far as my sanity and hence my day to day life is concerned. i'm planning on grasping that rope just as soon as i can manage to grow some!!!
man i wish i still lived in st. helens, or. we used to watch where we put our feet so as not to crush too many of the little bastards. had no idea what we had!
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Re: extreme downside to shroom's
« Reply #15 on: Dec 16th, 2002, 6:56pm » |
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on Dec 16th, 2002, 6:46pm, jonny wrote:
By saying 02 cannot burn you to death is bull!!
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I did not say this Jonny. I said that it wasn't flammable, and it isn't. How would that comment cause someone to decide to go out and light up while on O2? It wouldn't, and it's rediculous to assume anyone would.
Why don't you stop trying to start fights for no reason?
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Re: extreme downside to shroom's
« Reply #16 on: Dec 16th, 2002, 6:57pm » |
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Drk,
Calm Down? CALM DOWN??? 
Ahem...
just kidding.... I couldn't be calmer!
I just wanted to clarify incase some poor reader saw your post and assumed flames were OK around Oxygen since "O2 isn't flammable. " as you said (correctly, I might add). It is, in fact, highly dangerous around flames, which isn't the same as being flammable I guess. Just being clear.
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« Reply #17 on: Dec 16th, 2002, 7:01pm » |
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DRK,
Im not trying to start a fight im just trying to save some poor bastard that reads your post from burning themself alive.
Sue me.
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Re: extreme downside to shroom's
« Reply #18 on: Dec 16th, 2002, 7:52pm » |
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...the last line in Slammy's citation........
Quote:I was just nit-pickin' on where you did indeed claim Oxygen is highly flammable. I think we all knew what you meant.
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Re: extreme downside to shroom's
« Reply #19 on: Dec 16th, 2002, 9:25pm » |
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Jonny... I think that's the reason why they put warnings on O2 tanks and the delivery trucks, and the supply store should warn you when they first sell the O2. Hell... The supply store I get my O2 from even gave me No Smoking signs to put up around my house.
I still do not see how anyone would burn themselves to death from being told that O2 is not flammable. I learned this in 6th grade general science, and I haven't yet fried myself... Physically anyways... Mentally is another story. C'est la vie...
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Re: extreme downside to shroom's
« Reply #20 on: Dec 16th, 2002, 9:54pm » |
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Drk,
Take your own advice... calm down a bit...
You were absolutely correct. I incorrectly stated that Oxygen was flammable... I was too busy making the original point to notice that inaccuracy... I guess I assumed people would focus on the point of mycomparison. The funny part is then we jump all over you for pointing out the inaccuracy, meaning your point was lost on us because we focused on the anal retentive nature of your observation instead of the intended simple factual correction. Ironic, eh?
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Re: extreme downside to shroom's
« Reply #21 on: Dec 17th, 2002, 7:55pm » |
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An interesting pair of articles posted on this thread, but, it stands in my thoughts that you could take an asprin and rob a bank, get killed in the process, and have SOMEONE say "there were drugs in thier system, and that is why they did it".
Another factor is what is deemed as "abuse". it is all relative.
What ever happened to personal responsibility? when is the individual responsible for his/her own actions and decisions?
No disrespect to Sailpappy intended, in fact, the contrary. Drugs can be very dangerous and are not something to be taken lightly. But the bottom line is that one has to be aware of the possible consequences and willing to take responsibility for their decisions.
I'm also sick of Marijuana being classified in the same categories as Heroin, Crack , Methamphetaminesand the like. I have never seen factual evidence of anyone "overdosing" or directly dying from the result of having smoked pot.
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