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« on: Oct 25th, 2002, 6:41pm » |
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anybody have any luck abortin' shadows (i'm talkin' about the ones that disrupt your life) tried my usual abortives 02 & trex never had any luck, it's like the meds won't help unless it's gonna be full blown. just curious, had a fucked up day of pole climbin' & shadows  ............2late
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Re: wicked shadows
« Reply #1 on: Oct 25th, 2002, 6:51pm » |
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I hear you, 2late,
Shadows, from my rather limited experience, can be a bit of puzzle sometimes.
The shadows that I've dealt with hang around Kip 1 or 2, sometimes Kip 3. Just enough to be really annoying.
I've had SOME sucess aborting them with rigorous exercise and/or Lithium.
Hang in there.
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Hey i,ve got a cure for them but you ain't going to like it.
I've discovered that when I have a tough one going I hit the pool . It's currently 58 degrees in the pool and about 60 out. It seems like when you get in the water the pain get's stronger and then it seem as though it shoots right out the top of your head.
I discovered this by accident and I don't think that anyone in there right mind will try it but Jonny and I have the Duma$$ awards sewed up so go with whatever.
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Re: wicked shadows
« Reply #3 on: Oct 25th, 2002, 8:05pm » |
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Loved your last line, Weldon.... "so go with whatever".. LOL 
What you're talking about, submersing in cold water isn't so far fetched. I've seen Mike abort one that way too. It's the cold.
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Re: wicked shadows
« Reply #4 on: Oct 25th, 2002, 8:15pm » |
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Sorry 2late that you're shadowing...sometimes I have luck with O2 when shadowing, sometimes not. Sorry can't suggest much 'cause I'm usually in the same boat, but I hop eit gets better for ya bro. - Jim R
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Re: wicked shadows
« Reply #5 on: Oct 25th, 2002, 8:40pm » |
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Ok, well here is what works for me sometimes. When the shadows are annoying but you ain't really got a "real headache". Sex. The big O will release all those good chemicals to your brain making you happy.
And if it doesn't get rid of your shadows .. it might make your wife happy enough to NOT ask you to wallpaper anything this weekend ... therby sparing you from a different kind of headache !!!!
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Re: wicked shadows
« Reply #6 on: Oct 25th, 2002, 8:44pm » |
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The circulatory technique is made for killing shadows. It's easier to do it correctly when you're not writhing in pain.
SOMEBODY here make this work.
Dr. Wright's Circulatory Technique
This is not transcendental meditation, imagery, relaxation, or anything psychic. It's entirely physical and takes a lot of work and concentration. Give this method a good workout. It’s not a miracle, but it’s been very helpful to many.
When I was diagnosed, my neurologist said to treat this as a vascular problem. I was told to concentrate on “redirecting” blood circulation in order to retard flow to the head. This is done by trying to “send” blood into the arms and hands or other extremities. When properly done, your hands will become warm and redder with increased circulation. I also found it easier to concentrate on one hand.
This relieves just slightly, the pressure on the affected vessel, which indirectly causes our pain. We all have this ability but it can be exhausting. I was often able shorten my attacks from about half an hour to no more than a few minutes. Sometimes, when awake, I could entirely abort the attack IF I KEPT AT IT. I would suffer only minor discomfort instead of excruciating pain. Do not stop just because your hands are warm or redder. Keep this up until you are sure it's subsided. If you let up or lose concentration, it’s very hard to restart this process. It may take some time for this to take hold but when this works, the relief is almost immediate.
I learned this from the doctor in a few minutes. He simply told me to concentrate on keeping blood away from the head. He thought the easiest is the arms and hands but any place that works for you is fine. He said to think of it as "filling your hands" with redirected blood. It’s important to keep at it THROUGH the pain. This will be difficult, but it’s the only way this technique will work. I like to keep at it a few minutes longer than seems necessary to insure success.
This will not always work, but I think it will always have at least some effect on the severity and duration of the attacks. It can be useful between medications or while waiting for some other drug to take effect. All it takes is a little practice. It was fairly easy to learn and what I'm writing here is more than I got from the doctor, as I've drawn from my own experience.
When awakened in horrible pain, it’s very hard to focus, but I think it’s always worth a try. This costs nothing but hard work, is harmless, non-invasive, and it gives us a fighting chance.
I wish you the best of luck - Charlie Strand
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Re: wicked shadows
« Reply #7 on: Oct 25th, 2002, 8:53pm » |
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ok, Charlie....
i've printed this out. i'm going to study it. and put it into practice to see if it will help me next time with my lil ole meegraines....in theory, it should work the same for me, right?
maybe then the cluster peeps will try it just to prove a meegrainer wrong.
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Re: wicked shadows
« Reply #8 on: Oct 25th, 2002, 9:22pm » |
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I knew it was comin' charlie, i'm gonna try it again, i'm thinkin' i might have better luck with a shadow. one eye.... is that sex with anyone or my wife ;D .........2late
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Re: wicked shadows
« Reply #9 on: Oct 25th, 2002, 9:32pm » |
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Now Charlie, you know that I've posted before, that this technique does, in fact work. I just haven't been able to do it past a 5 or 6........but for sure 2-late it does work for those horrid shadows. Please give it a try, O.K.?
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Re: wicked shadows
« Reply #10 on: Oct 25th, 2002, 11:31pm » |
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percacet/oxycodone and vicadin/hydrocodone do wonders for my shadows. It helps me keep my sanity from those constant nagging shadows.
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Re: wicked shadows
« Reply #11 on: Oct 26th, 2002, 12:24am » |
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Glad those narcotics are working for you karla.
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Re: wicked shadows
« Reply #12 on: Oct 26th, 2002, 12:45am » |
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Linda,   Anyway, shadows for 2 late:
Jump in the pool already!!!! It'l defnitly do sumpin.....
Okay, Thinkin...................... only thing i can thinkof is the damn coffee, the not sleeping thing, the racing with the devil syndrome..............sorry. Not very encouraging i know.....but that's what I do...............No sleep no relax no nuttin but being a bug-eyed lunatic until it goes away....................
okay. try taking lots a drugs. LOL. BEATS ME BABES! I give up.
Where is that crusty Ueli? No. Don't answer that. He's gonna tell me to be goddamned QUIET! ;D
Genius in disgust - i mean disguise. 
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Re: wicked shadows
« Reply #13 on: Oct 26th, 2002, 1:23am » |
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I am with ya 2late,
I have been going through the same thing for the last couple of days coming off a 3 month cycle, I hope I am coming off a 3 month cycle. Not enough pain to hit the Triptans, bout a K1 or K2, but almost constant, driving me nucking futs.
I think I will eat a bunch of pills and go have sex with some else's wife in a cold pool of water, maybe that will help.
Stopped taking the damn rat poison Topamax a couple of days ago, didnt help my head one bit and every thing tasted like shit, and I felt like shit. At least that is better, I think. Going back to the Neuro this month armed with my new found information from here and expect to leave with a lifetime supply of O2 and Imitrex ;D
Damn my head hurts, but not like it can, I can still open one eye most of the time.
Jonny, smack the left side of my head with your cane please. 
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I will check back when I feel better, or worse,
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Re: wicked shadows
« Reply #14 on: Oct 26th, 2002, 3:47am » |
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Re: wicked shadows
« Reply #15 on: Oct 26th, 2002, 6:51am » |
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on Oct 25th, 2002, 9:22pm, 2late wrote:| is that sex with anyone or my wife ;D .........2late |
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Re: wicked shadows
« Reply #16 on: Oct 26th, 2002, 8:37am » |
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thanks for the tip Karla, i'll take a handfull of pills before i start my day ??? i'll deal with the shadows at work. .............2late
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Why bother with the vicodans, oxys, percs ?
Go right to the heroin for a blissful day.
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Re: wicked shadows
« Reply #18 on: Oct 26th, 2002, 9:19am » |
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2Late,
Ever try Cafergot/Ercaf? If I remember correctly (i lost several million brain cells last night/this morning)...this works really well for some folks... ya might want to give it a try.
Only problem is also some folks out here on the east coast did have trouble finding it. Maybe not in PA though..
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Re: wicked shadows
« Reply #19 on: Oct 26th, 2002, 3:57pm » |
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Dear 2late:
I remember reading some stuff on the board awhile back about people aborting shadows with ginger. If you go to the search (not a message board search but the "search" way at the top of the page) and type in "ginger" you'll find some stuff on how/if it works.
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« Reply #20 on: Oct 26th, 2002, 4:01pm » |
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Thanks Georgia,
I guess its true, there only enough blood to operate one head at a time ;D
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Re: wicked shadows
« Reply #21 on: Oct 27th, 2002, 9:41am » |
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StanThe Man,
Do I read you right? You use lithium to abort shadows?
I thought lithium was on the prevent list....interesting 
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Re: wicked shadows
« Reply #22 on: Oct 27th, 2002, 10:54am » |
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This has worked for me for a while both physically and phsycologically. I think it may be worth a try. I am a 25 year pain gainer. I have been in a cycle for about a month now and my biggest relief comes after the pain and seeing all you sickos exist in the world out there. I have cried at times when I know I'm not alone. I have watched this site for years, I have tried every prescribed med, seen every doctor and quack, I been to the mountain top and the depths of hell. I have done the illegal drugs as well and found that If one thing works today it invariably wont tommorrow. soooo here it is. for the daytime shadows as they call them, I call em wussy ones, I take an over the counter allergy med that the kids abuse for fun. Its called "ephedrine plus" It isnt good for you but neither are them damn headaches. Its red label brand. I am sure others probly make it too. Its a combination of ephedrine and Gulfaneisen a common drug. I use it only in low dose every 4 or so hours higher doses dont seem to work and may even make the full ons more intense. I recover quickly in the daytime feel very alert and I have no long hangovers. I suffer big at night though as allways. I discovered this one wholly by accident off cycle with a bad chest cold. Aint no cure but helps me tremendously. I use no other drug at this time I just foundother ways to deal with pain well beyond the circulatory way. Luck to you.
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Lets get one fucking thing straight here so everyone is on the same page.
LITHIUM, CANT ABORT SHIT!!!!
Its a fucking prevenitive not an abortive, it must be taken everyday to do any good.
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Re: wicked shadows
« Reply #24 on: Oct 27th, 2002, 1:46pm » |
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Jonny (and others)
It is true that lithium is regarded as preventive.
However, I have NOT been taking it daily during my cycles, and I have had a fair amount of sucess with it.
I can only tell you what I have done. Not saying, of course my formula will work for you.
There have been several instances when I was dealing with shadows or the onset of an attack and I took lithium and followed it with a brisk walk -- depending on the time of day, etc.
The shadow/attack would frequently leave (not always, mind you.)
Some would say the brisk walk is what did the trick. Perhaps so. However, I should point out, that there were other times I took lithium and did nothing else and sometimes the pain would level off and subside (usually within 15-20 minutes.
So, was it the lithium? The excercise? Frankly, I DON'T CARE! All I know is that it works quite often for me (meaning about 70%).
Jonny, thank you for the clarification. (Even 'tho there's no need to scream about it). But I stand by my post.
I let you decide if I'm using it as a preventive or not...
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