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What happens after you commit suicide. Answer here
« on: Sep 15th, 2002, 4:31pm » |
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I've been hearing some descussions about what happens if they decide to kill themsleves. I know this sounds stupid but I know what happens. If anyone has ever watched montel williams they may have seen teh psychic named sylvia brown. Shes religious and is very good. She works with police departments on cases and was on lary king live a couple of times. I've read her books. She is legit. I suggest you buy here books but anways heres what she said.
There is no hell. No finite sin can justify eternal punishment. Our lives here are planned out before we are even born by us in our previous after life before we are reincarnated again.
But if you kill youself you will be reincarnated right away to the same situations you were put in in the first place. So you will be born again and eventually suffer through clusters till you decide not to kill yourself. Our purpose here is to overcome challenges to perfect our soul. Like you cant learn something unless you do it.
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Re: What happens after you commit suicide. Answer
« Reply #1 on: Sep 15th, 2002, 4:56pm » |
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What happens after you commit suicide.
WE ALL GET THE PAINRELIEF WE ALL ARE LOOKING FOR 
But is this the right way?
NO WAY
Why i take the time to answer?
I have been there,tried that
What i think about your subject?
I think this is a lot of bullshit
I`m sorry for my way of writing,but i think this subject not belong here.
Its a lot of us who have been "over the edge"and do everything we can to help other clusterheads in any way we can
And i do not think your way of writing does help at all
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Re: What happens after you commit suicide. Answer
« Reply #2 on: Sep 15th, 2002, 5:27pm » |
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Dear Svenn......I agree with what you say....most of us have considered the "9mm solution"..... and when this ....iukid..... person comes up with this horse$hit ....it just does not sit well.
We are here to find a solution, a cure, a preventative, a "new" abortive, support for our brothers and sisters in pain..... not to discuss theology.... not to take a poll of suicide success stories..... ;D
and definitely not to listen to "legit" snakeoil salesman that manage to get time on Montel fucking Williams........
Dear iukid..... take a reality pill......and quit wasting your (and our) time with some of yer dumb questions.....like: what is better "preventatives or abortives?"
Ponder this: "The following statement is a lie......the previous statement is the truth." Hoping this keeps you busy for awhile.
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Re: What happens after you commit suicide. Answer
« Reply #3 on: Sep 15th, 2002, 5:28pm » |
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Svenn, I think the Jukid was just trying to help out the guy that posted that had thought of committing suicide. He was just trying to help in his own way. Read the message again, slowly. Just like you, he only tries to help.
Take care.
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Re: What happens after you commit suicide. Answer
« Reply #4 on: Sep 15th, 2002, 5:41pm » |
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Iukid, I dissagree with everything you had to say but I defend your right to say it, not your right as a clusterhead but your right as a Human Being. Suicide is tough to understand in the point of afterlife. I believe very few peaple actually commit suicide in a right mind and God doesn't hold us accountable when we are not in a state of saneness,
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Re: What happens after you commit suicide. Answer
« Reply #5 on: Sep 15th, 2002, 5:54pm » |
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They take all your stuff, get your wallet out or your pants, remove any jewelry, split it up, and torch your ass! Play a few old Dead songs drink/smoke a few and toss your remains in the nearest scenic river.
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« Reply #6 on: Sep 15th, 2002, 6:00pm » |
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I must read posts very differently than everyone else here. I pick out the good parts and throw away the rest.
What I got out of this post is that the Jukid believes in
1. reincarnation (I do not, but I do believe in freedom of speech).
2. That if you kill yourself you come right back with the same problems so why bother killing yourself (good advice for someone thinking they can end their problems with suicide .. why bother, you just get the same problems back)
3. That the life journey for us all is to perfect ourselves.
Perhaps I have misunderstood the post. Perhaps I have only seen what I want to see. Perhaps you have.
Let me know. I am ready to be slammed tonight.
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Re: What happens after you commit suicide. Answer
« Reply #7 on: Sep 15th, 2002, 6:05pm » |
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i'm with the rest iukid, larry king & montel, must be legite? LMAO  nobody but the man above knows, so let's not even speculate,and while we're at it let's not talk suicide, we're all stronger than that!!!! ...............2late
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Re: What happens after you commit suicide. Answer
« Reply #8 on: Sep 15th, 2002, 6:13pm » |
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Dont get me going on this one alot of my OLD friends here at CH.com know how I feel about this one... I think suicide is the cowards way out... I have never heard a story about someone that commited suicide that left a good out come... What it does, because I know first hand... my cousin did i... It screws up the lives of those left behind... those that blame themselves for the rest of their miserable lives because they constantly think of what they possibly could have done to prevent it... what it does is leave a permanent void in the lives of your family and friends. It doesnt end the pain. It just begins the pain for alot of other people. The End~~~
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Re: What happens after you commit suicide. Answer
« Reply #9 on: Sep 15th, 2002, 6:18pm » |
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I liked that Ree ..... pretty much said the same thing I did in the original post by LTBULLITT who was thinking of suicide. I think the JUKID is just expressing his opinion on suicide, not considering it. My husband, myself, and our "daughter/niece" live every day knowing what it feels like when someone chooses to end their life. My nieces father committed suicide and hence, she became our daughter. She still asks why it had to happen ... and my husband and I still have no answer.
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Re: What happens after you commit suicide. Answer
« Reply #10 on: Sep 15th, 2002, 6:34pm » |
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ok...... since i rarely engage in this kind of *stuff*...but i DID..... i also will go to the wall to defend your right to free speech... just don't make an ass of yerself when you *publish* in a public forum...(to iukid...not NMcF)
altho y'all know I've done this plenty of times....
Lee, yer BAD...and I hope they play "St.Stephen" while they dance on my grave....
Nancy McFree...... Quote:| That the life journey for us all is to perfect ourselves. |
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....well said, I couldn't agree more. Not a slam....but bring it on......;D
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yes, brother....
...I've been way too close to the subject of suicide....my POP in March this year...to make jokes or take it lightly
...the ultimate act of cowardice..as bullit said .......
everybody talks about the high cost of living....but consider the alternative.......
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Re: What happens after you commit suicide. Answer
« Reply #11 on: Sep 15th, 2002, 6:39pm » |
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I don't think that I have ever heard that explanation before. Thankyou. And let me ask this question? When did we earn the right to tell someone that they are full of shit? I think that that is a very ignorant point of view. I may not agree with everything that was said, but I am not going to bash them for saying it! The whole purpose for this message board is to support other sufferers. I don't think this is showing support. I think that it is great that we can all express our opinions, but all of the rudeness has to stop. Lets just all go back to the rule that we should have learned in KINDERGARDEN- If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all.
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Re: What happens after you commit suicide. Answer
« Reply #12 on: Sep 15th, 2002, 6:42pm » |
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My 2 cents worth...what happens after? Nothing. No life...I can't imagine not living my life. Have I considered it? yup...most Ch'ers have I think, but it's a rather permanent solution to a temporary problem. Charlie is a prime example...11 years CH free. The cure is out there, and that's what OUCH is about, helping to educate and inform so that the research can be done to get us that cure. Regardless of your religious or psychic beliefs, death is death, and life is better than death. Ask anyone who survived the WTC Attacks, perspective is a wonderful thing.
Cat
as a side note, how can you answer that question? Unless you've been dead .....
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Re: What happens after you commit suicide. Answer
« Reply #13 on: Sep 15th, 2002, 7:27pm » |
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I suffered episodic CH for 28 years........beginning 1960 when no one had any suggestions for a preventative or an abortive, and they ended suddenly in 1986.
What am I saying? Just this......there's always hope.
When in the middle of a Kip 9 or 10, when so sleep deprived that you can't think anymore....when your life seems so futile....when thinking about the big S.....remember there is hope.
Several of us here can vouch for this. I'm glad we are still around to prove it.
CH's can screw up your job, relationships, your very present life, but always remember..............there's still a life to be lived.
The cure might come tomorrow or the next day. Stick around to take advantage of it.
We are all in this boat together..throwing life savers to one another. We are here to support and receive support. We have a common bond..........fighting this beast together. Lets hold on to each other and wait it out.
There's almost always someone here to talk to, to vent to, to hold hands with in the darkest times. And we all understand what YOU are going through.
We have a wonderful Support section here for supporters in need of advice and encouragement.Take advantage of it.
The Family Services Team can be found at
http://clusterbuds@hotmail.com
If you need spiritual support or know of someone who does, contact CHangels at
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We care..........call on any of us.
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« Reply #14 on: Sep 15th, 2002, 8:05pm » |
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I been holding off but I cant hold any longer.
Iukid, would you mind telling us how old you are.
I've wanted to rip you a new not a very nice person a few times but didn't thinking you may be a youngster.
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Re: What happens after you commit suicide. Answer
« Reply #15 on: Sep 15th, 2002, 8:39pm » |
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Seems to me iukid's just trying to offer some help to anyone out there who's feeling suicidal. I don't see much wrong with that nor a reason to beat him up as he has been.
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Re: What happens after you commit suicide. Answer
« Reply #16 on: Sep 15th, 2002, 9:18pm » |
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don...had the same thought...decided WTF......i been flamed BIG TIME for less...... and if ya read the first post: it don't say nuthin' about support for someone considering THE CHEAP WAY OUT...it say's: "What happens after you commit suicide. Answer" ...and "I know this sounds stupid but I know what happens".... did I miss somethin'???
I got all the help/counsel/PLEASE don't DO this/Don't even think about it/I been there ........that ya wanta have....... but being *philosophical* or pretending to have the answer for
suicide
...please don't take it lightly......ya drop yer guard with a potential suicide...ya got ta deal with the results...DAMHIK
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Re: What happens after you commit suicide. Answer
« Reply #17 on: Sep 15th, 2002, 9:27pm » |
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Ted that was very nice... everyone is entitled to their own opinion... my religion has its views on suicide too and i will keep that to myself for fear of being flamed to death... Suicide is never the answer. period... please if anyone here does this it would effect me and everyone else here too... love to you all pain free cozy fall nights to you ALL... keep good thoughts... ~~~~ree
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Re: What happens after you commit suicide. Answer
« Reply #18 on: Sep 15th, 2002, 9:39pm » |
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Does it have to be labeled support if it's support? Would the reactions to it been different if he said outright it was "support"? Because I still don't see anything wrong with him posting this. I can see it maybe helping someone if they believe in reicarnation. But I don't see it as bringing anyone to where anyone else would have to deal with the results. I mean shit. People pretend they have answers to all things. Haven't you seen how many people speak for God on this board? At least this is helpful at most and benign at worst.
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Re: What happens after you commit suicide. Answer
« Reply #19 on: Sep 15th, 2002, 9:55pm » |
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;D ;D Old Pappy say's arrrrgggg!
I would suffer the pain and indignaty of a billion cluster attacks and walking butt naked through the Vatacan to NOT inflict the pain and agony and anguish that leaving the legacy of a quitter to nth degree would surely place on all those that have suffered right along with me,supported and loved and felt completely helpless while they watched and listened to me endure this malady.
Thought about it, almost did it, but the verse above is why after 34 years of this daily demon, Sailpappy Lives, to smell the sweet aroma of new life(well OK sometimes not so sweet!) but yet, an aroma unlike any other, to have a wee little hand grasp yer finger as if it were a Giants pinkey finger and to hear those first Coo's and feel the adulation of the wee one when he senses yer presence in the room, for he knows you are the very strength of life that he will depend on for so many year, and Gas or not?, to see those first smiles and hear the giggles and even having to sit up when your so ehausted you can barely function, because your child or Grandchild is ill and needs his pappy.
My name is called out in the darkness without concious thought,because they know I am here to take care of them, not MaMa or Daddy, but Pappy! and had I done the deed, I would never have had the chance to give them the chance at a good life!
My slant on reincarnation is this, Energy comes in precise forms and life's energy is no different, I believe when you body dies, your Life'senergy leaves this host and seeks out a new space in another living space in need of Life's energy. If that is reincarnation, well then so be it, over 20 years have passed since my last thought of the S word and looking back I can't even begin to count the things that I was blessed with as a reward for suffering a simple Cluster attack!
For my Children and Grandchildren, I want to leave a legacy of Bravery,Compassion,Selflessness and Love that will enfluence their every decission. Not shame for Pappy gave up and quit by choice, even in the face of Death now, I spit and laugh, I will fight for every second I can squeese out and relish each for the gift that it truely is! Love the Family here that I would never have met if I had quit 20 years ago! Pappy Loves you all!
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Sail Pappy, like always ...... you have way more knowlege than us !!!!!!!!!!!! You can't go anywhere what would we do without you ???????
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Re: What happens after you commit suicide. Answer
« Reply #21 on: Sep 15th, 2002, 10:41pm » |
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As I've posted many times: Suicide is usually nothing but selfish. It causes nothing but pain for families and friends. There are too many reasons not to fool with it.
What happens when anyone dies? Decomposition mostly and your kids divy up your porn collection to sell on ebay
Psyhics and other forms of wishful thinking are good amusements and people make millions selling it. Have your fun.
Reicarnation: This I like. It's not something I latch onto but it's harmless so long as one doesn't hurry the process, no one bangs on your door selling tracts and taking up air time telling the rest of us that the ACLU and liberals are the cause of the WTC bombing. Sign me up. 
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Re: What happens after you commit suicide. Answer
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First of all........to answer the question......none of us HERE would know that answer. However, in giving an intelligent answer I would say:
YOU DIE
and then I would think there would be HELL to pay, and as for me...........well, I think I'm paying some of my HELL now while living......so..far be it from me to want to kill myself off to have to experience some of the same shit I've already gone through.
As far as the reincarnation theory........well IF that is what you really believe that happens I have a question.....Do you really believe killing yourself would be any part of perfecting that soul?? perhaps reincarnation comes only to those who die from natural causes,and not death self inflicted. Don't understand the part of "can't learn something unless you do it"......if that means having to committ suicide.........humph........well I'll take my chances on continuing to live some of this hell on earth and hopefully one day when my time does come I'll be alowed through the pearly gates I so seek! Until then, some of this life ain't so bad, in fact..............some of it is actually "JUST MARVELOUS" (that's for you Svenn..lol)
Sailpappy, as always, such intelligent responses
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Re: What happens after you commit suicide. Answer
« Reply #23 on: Sep 16th, 2002, 2:37pm » |
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Fully agree with Ree and others who stated (or implied) that suicide is extremely selfish.
It rips to shreds the family and friends left behind. I know -- my brother committed suicide 22 years ago.
Suicide should never be condoned -- NEVER!
Given the nature of CH's, and the fact that a level 10 attack will send some folks into toying with thoughts of suicide, this is ONE place I think some censorship would be a good thing.
Lets remove this discussion!
Celebrate life! It's worth living -- even if it's tarnished with pain!
Every life is precious! 
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Re: What happens after you commit suicide. Answer
« Reply #24 on: Sep 17th, 2002, 12:28am » |
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Damn. will a mod delete this topic if its so bad. I dotn give a shit. This was taken way out of proportion. I guess it didnt come out the way I wanted it to adn now that I read it I can see why some would be pissed. I think that alot of you are just pissed off at life and decided to take it out on me.
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